fgw Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 smithrock.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markd Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 i'm glad i spent 5 years developing three, 4-6 pitch routes there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvallisclimb Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 no shit mark! so much for all those days spent up there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatinoutliquor Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 So wait, we talking white satin, sky ridge, snibble tower area? That is interesting. I wonder what they found up there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fgw Posted August 11, 2009 Author Share Posted August 11, 2009 Any and all climbing closures that are related to nesting raptors are lifted. Only one climbing closure remains in the park between Asterisk Pass and The Phoenix Buttress. Â it's mentioned almost as an afterthought. It would cover many old classics & new routes as well. seems pretty significant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Does this include blackend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markd Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 i would have to agree with you fgw. this zone holds some old-school routes as well as many of the new-wave multi-pitch adventure routes. many people don't climb these routes as they're not very smith-esque but it is a great loss to smith. this area used to be closed yearly for bird closures but then would reopen like the rest of the protected areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlympicMtnBoy Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Yeah, some of my favorite routes are up there (mostly for ambiance and such). I wonder what is going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shapp Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 (edited) well seeing as how climbers have been visiting smith for over 50 years now, they probably found some old rusty pin that is now old enough to be "Culturally" significant and sensitive. Or maybe some other shard of pre-whitty history. If you dig deep enough anywhere along a river in central oregon, especially near some big rock outcrops, you are likely to find something. Granted, I am all for actual meaningful culturally significant site being protected, but how big of a site could it be? The funny thing is the way the rules work, they can keep it a secret, so we may never know. Edited August 12, 2009 by shapp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScaredSilly Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 There is now a followup post:  Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:24 am Post subject: Closures Hello all,  The current climbing closure encompasses the following routes: Llamasutra Wannabe Llamas Llama Enlightenment When Llamas Need Protection Entering Relativity  Some rock art was found in the middle of these climbing routes. Since the discovery of these drawings there have been numerous meetings at the site to evaluate and determine their authenticity as to wether or not they were drawn by Native Americans. During this evaluation process Management has called for the aforementioned routes to be closed temporarily. OPRD is committed to providing world class outdoor recreation within its parks, and we are also comitted to preserving Oregon's rich cultural heritage. The goal is to create a management plan so that the two can exist harmoniously.  So again, thank you for your cooperation and patience regarding these closures.   Julian T Colesberry Park Ranger Smith Rock State Park 541-604-4362   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Climbing art? WTF.....are they trying to say that native americans climbed up on these faces and drew artwork? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Llamasutra Wannabe Llamas Llama Enlightenment When Llamas Need Protection Entering Relativity    Mark. Any of these your routes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shapp Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Na it is probably near the ground. So with a park with such a long history of heavy human use, they haven't inventored all along the base for rock art within 15 minutes hike from the trail head? Hard to believe it has been there all along, maybe some climbers fooling around with new age art work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScaredSilly Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 The problem is that the park does not have cultural resource person on staff who goes out looking for this type of evidence. They come in once there is a need. More than likely a climber noticed it and asked. This set the wheels in motion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 More than likely a climber noticed it and asked. Â Â Get a rope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Pretty cool. I hope it is real; and can be viewed at some point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvallisclimb Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Llamasutra Wannabe Llamas Llama Enlightenment When Llamas Need Protection Entering Relativity   Mark. Any of these your routes?  nope not marks, all is well now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion_sonya Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Pretty Funny.  From Smithrock.com  the writing on the wall was actually done by my kids 3-4 years ago. You can still see part of Andrews name. We used to climb at this spot a lot. The red rocks that they have used are still sitting on the rock directly in front of the markings. My kids know not to write or to mark the rock out there at Smith but it looks like this one went by me, sorry. MikeS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shapp Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 can someone please take a photo and post it here so all can see that the state archaologist is a wanker! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScaredSilly Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 If the scribbling is true then this closure will go down in history as a close second to the rock art found on the Deschuttes River (???) some twenty years (??) ago. The Forest Service got all excited about the discovery, got funding for an interpretive center and were just about start when the perp came forward and admitted that they were trying to understand the process and made some drawings/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 If the scribbling is true then this closure will go down in history as a close second to the rock art found on the Deschuttes River (???) some twenty years (??) ago. The Forest Service got all excited about the discovery, got funding for an interpretive center and were just about start when the perp came forward and admitted that they were trying to understand the process and made some drawings/ Â LOL Sorry dude, but given that this was suppose to be a child, if this is true (and we have yet to see it) that a childs scribblings were even remotely considered as a Native American graphic, then THIS IS NUMBER 1 BABY!!!! Â I think we all would support protecting any and all info we can about the earlier people who trod this area. However, what most of us see in these kinds of instances, is professional bloodsuckers living off the dole with these cushy Government jobs using their jobs to protect and expand their own importance and paychecks as they utilize the "find" to empire build. They do this by starting a conflict whereby a closure and then the ensuing mandatory public process guarantees that someone has to answer the outraged letters and letters of support. Someone has to have public meetings to discuss the new closure. Someone has to hire more folks to work the new conflict. Â It all makes me in particular so jaded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScaredSilly Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Yeah but at least the state will not have allocated monies for an interpretive center. On the other hand getting spoofed by kids scribing will surely leave little confidence in the abilities of the state archeologists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shapp Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 For god sakes, someone on the Oregon forum, get off the key pad ranbling about beacon this or Hood that, and go take a freaking photo of this thing. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 dude, it's like, hot or something at smith right now, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shapp Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 (edited) How does this apply, hard to take a photo in the heat? After reading some of your TRs I know you aren't really that much of a pussy! Edited August 28, 2009 by shapp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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