olyclimber Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 sorry dude, can't happen. MJs dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Â Hey, the weather is nice, let's climb! Â Spray assclown: Naw, I'm too busy spraying out of my ass about world poverty. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 African farmers are skilled and knowledgeable and are responsible for the vast majority of agricultural innovation that has succeeded in Africa. The low levels of productivity that are often cited in reference to African agriculture are the result of poverty, displacement, war, colonialism, and environmental challenges. Africa’s small farmers do not need the false promises of genetic engineering; they need concrete measures that will attack the root causes of poverty and enable them to farm according to their capabilities.   http://www.grain.org/briefings_files/africa-gmo-2002-en.pdf  Quite the circular non-explanation there. Poverty and war cause...poverty and war.  Ending agricultural subsidies and eliminating tariffs that make it next to impossible for them to sell the stuff that they're good at growing - whether that turns out to be GMO crops or organic, GMO-free dreadlock-delousing paste - in the markets where they can secure the highest prices for them would be much more helpful than a set of cloistered first-world activists trying to make these choices for them.   jeez jay! didn't you get the memo? do you really still think the free market economy is the cure for everything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Hey, the weather is nice, let's climb! Â Spray assclown: Naw, I'm too busy spraying out of my ass about world poverty. Â Â what are you doing on the computer? oh...you're like the rest of us assclowns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted July 1, 2009 Author Share Posted July 1, 2009 People in Africa are starving because they can't generate sufficient net output to exchange for the money or goods necessary to lift themselves above subsistence poverty. Â plus they don't have the $ to buy a tv. one wonders how Africans ever survived before the world economy. they must have been in continual subsistence starvation, which I guess is different than actual starvation. Â Â It's strange that they aren't clamoring to return to lifestyles they had in the good old hunter-gatherer days when life was much easier and food was always secure and plentiful. They must not understand how good they had it back then. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Hey, the weather is nice, let's climb!  Spray assclown: Naw, I'm too busy spraying out of my ass about world poverty.   what are you doing on the computer? oh...you're like the rest of us assclowns  I'm thinking about climbing and waiting for the weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 well if they are truly starving, then i'm sure they are. not that i would know anything about truly starving. i haven't skipped any meals except perhaps breakfast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 well if they are truly starving, then i'm sure they are. not that i would know anything about truly starving. i haven't skipped any meals except perhaps breakfast. Â Last Sunday night I could have eaten my own liver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosterson Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 African farmers are skilled and knowledgeable and are responsible for the vast majority of agricultural innovation that has succeeded in Africa. The low levels of productivity that are often cited in reference to African agriculture are the result of poverty, displacement, war, colonialism, and environmental challenges. Africa’s small farmers do not need the false promises of genetic engineering; they need concrete measures that will attack the root causes of poverty and enable them to farm according to their capabilities.  Quite the circular non-explanation there. Poverty and war cause...poverty and war.  Um... I believe it's saying that poverty and war are causing starvation via underproduction of food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted July 1, 2009 Author Share Posted July 1, 2009 African farmers are skilled and knowledgeable and are responsible for the vast majority of agricultural innovation that has succeeded in Africa. The low levels of productivity that are often cited in reference to African agriculture are the result of poverty, displacement, war, colonialism, and environmental challenges. Africa’s small farmers do not need the false promises of genetic engineering; they need concrete measures that will attack the root causes of poverty and enable them to farm according to their capabilities.   http://www.grain.org/briefings_files/africa-gmo-2002-en.pdf  Quite the circular non-explanation there. Poverty and war cause...poverty and war.  Ending agricultural subsidies and eliminating tariffs that make it next to impossible for them to sell the stuff that they're good at growing - whether that turns out to be GMO crops or organic, GMO-free dreadlock-delousing paste - in the markets where they can secure the highest prices for them would be much more helpful than a set of cloistered first-world activists trying to make these choices for them.   jeez jay! didn't you get the memo? do you really still think the free market economy is the cure for everything?  If I had a nickel for every Asian that wishes they'd relied on foreign aid and central planning instead of trade so that they could live like Africans...I'd be a wealthy man. Hopefully the Asians will see the light one of these days and finally start copying the economic policies that Africa's relied on to get where it's at today.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 ...and its just the stupid trustifarian hippies with their dreadlocks, Prius's, backyard gardens, and Socialist ideals that have caused the poverty and war. It has nothing to do with corporate interests and stuff. case closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete_H Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 sorry dude, can't happen. MJs dead. Â But his music will be with us forever. Maybe if you'd eaten breakfast you would have known that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 my comment was "tongue in cheek". perhaps if african could adopt asian policies (Chinese) then they could get their TVs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete_H Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 But how good are the Chinese at winning Marathons? Not so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 yes but they make great affordable stuff you can get at Walmart. and my new Arcatearix windshirt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 and pretty much everything else you can buy in a store Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 and johndavidjohn jrs 20 dollar pup tent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 a set of cloistered first-world activists trying to make these choices for them. Â Great description for the neoliberal economists at the IMF and World Bank foisting your crap on them for thirty years through mafia debt collection tactics. Â If I had a nickel for every Asian that wishes they'd relied on foreign aid and central planning instead of trade so that they could live like Africans...I'd be a wealthy man. Hopefully the Asians will see the light one of these days and finally start copying the economic policies that Africa's relied on to get where it's at today. Â More free-market mythologizing and historical obfuscation here. Every one of the "Asian Tigers" was balls-deep in protectionist policies that got them up and running in the post-WWII era, all endorsed by the USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete_H Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 yes but they make great affordable stuff you can get at Walmart. and my new Arcatearix windshirt. Â Last time I was at Walmart they had some pretty sweet Hannah Montana camping gear too. Thanks China! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosterson Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 ...and its just the stupid trustifarian hippies with their dreadlocks, Prius's, backyard gardens, and Socialist ideals that have caused the poverty and war. It has nothing to do with corporate interests and stuff. case closed. Â No way. Dreadlocked trustafarians ride fixed gears; it's the white, affluent, middle-aged Americans who are the ones driving Priuses and feel entitled to the road. Â Didn't you hear about Portland's great/fake "car vs. bike" war last summer? At one point a driver tried to hit a bicyclist who'd told him to slow down and the cyclist had to jump on the guy's hood as he drove down the street. Â I don't think any Priuses were involved, but I'm sure they would have been if their drivers hadn't been too busy going to yoga... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosterson Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 yes but they make great affordable stuff you can get at Walmart. and my new Arcatearix windshirt. Â Whatever happened to their whole "you're paying more because this is made in Canada, not in an Oriental sweatshop" bit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 So Priuses are bad because rich white people can afford them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Oh no! They are only driven by NAIVE, rich white people who wish to crush me when i ride my bike. Join us in scoffing at them Dru. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 From 'The New Republic'...tee hee... "Green had moved beyond politics. Gestures that were once mundane--bringing ...."  Despite the slight update, this article amounts to the typical conservative tripe about how environmentalism is a short-lived palliative for the modern angst of the well-to-do, and how environmentalists are perpetual naive types that want to take us back to the stone age to live in caves while they deny the poor the means to improve their conditions. Never mind that it's the same liars pablum spewed by all consumerist dead-enders for the last 40 years, JayB thought he'd try again to deny resource and ecosystem limits. "It's all hunky-dory folks, the storm has passed, keep consuming". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosterson Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 So Priuses are bad because rich white people can afford them? Â I don't think they're bad at all. (I was joking about Porter's assertion that dreadlocked hippies were driving Priuses and starting wars.) If I were buying a car and could afford a Prius (and never wanted to drive Forest Roads, I guess), I would get one. Â I have, however, noticed that a lot of Prius drivers seem really impatient on the road, the way BMW drivers used to be. I wonder if there's some sort of holier-than-thou complex? Like, "I'm saving the world, so you should get out of my way." It's kinda funny... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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