Peter_Puget Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 The CBO expects only 3 percent of the money ($595 million) to be spent in fiscal 2009 and 2010. The peak year of projected spending is 2014 at $14.2 billion. link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STP Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 More bang for the buck? The economic benefit for each gov't dollar spent: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2008/12/stimulus-suckers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted February 23, 2009 Author Share Posted February 23, 2009 Setting a side any discussion concerning the accurcay of the data shown above..it seems clear that a payroll tax reduction is a contender for most bang for buck and is on the very short list of things that could have been passed as law almost immediatley and very simply. Instead we have a law passed that no one has read and falls very short of its proclaimed goal.... Change! It's here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Change! It's here! do you think it would've been any different w/ mccain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 do you think it would've been any different w/ mccain? This would be happening a lot faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 And we'd be hearing a lot more of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Obviously, the real question is What Would Paul Ron Do? Anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Obviously, the real question is What Would Paul Ron Do? Anyone? legalize pot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Obviously, the real question is What Would Paul Ron Do? Anyone? revert to a shiney glass bead standard for money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradleym Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 The CBO expects only 3 percent of the money ($595 million) to be spent in fiscal 2009 and 2010. The peak year of projected spending is 2014 at $14.2 billion. link umm, your sound-byte refers only to the money allocated for the healthcare IT proposal. had you read the entire editorial (I know, lots of those wordy things) you might have learned the CBO estimates $200B of the entire bill will be spent in 2011 or later--implying at least that nearly $600B will be spent this year and next. certainly evokes a little different message than you intended... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted February 23, 2009 Author Share Posted February 23, 2009 Sorry for the error... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Right, PP's soundbyte concerns 2.5% of the total stimulus package. That is assuming we can take seriously anything written by Samuelson considering his habit of regurgitating GOP talking points. Did you guys notice that most of the better "more bang for the buck" in STP's figure were fought tooth and nail by republicans. It ought to tell us how genuine they are in their complaining about the lack of effectiveness of the stimulus package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary_Yngve Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 umm, your sound-byte refers only to the money allocated for the healthcare IT proposal. had you read the entire editorial (I know, lots of those wordy things) you might have learned the CBO estimates $200B of the entire bill will be spent in 2011 or later--implying at least that nearly $600B will be spent this year and next. Of course, you can't just throw a bunch of money at something and get something big and good made immediately and efficiently. We learned that in the first dot-com bubble. It will take years to negotiate a modernization of HIPAA, which was written pre-google, pre-SaaS. It will take more time than you think to architect a design, hire top talent, etc. Don't even get me started on legacy systems. Heck, it will take at least a year just to award grants and contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 This is information retrieval not information dispersal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary_Yngve Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 It may function as information retrieval, but replicated/cached copies on distributed servers may legally count as information dispersal, because they are fundamentally electronic facsimiles. Just think of how retarded copyright law has been regarding the Internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Well the great news is that places like Washington, that are doing so well, appear to be looking at a net outflow of money, and will help subsidize places like Rhode island. Is this the housing projects for Washington list? This is the housing help that 870 billion dollars will get Washington State? Whew, money doesn't stretch as far as it use to. ________________________________________________________________ ARTSPACE Housing Everett WA 100 $5,000,000 Housing -56 Habitat for Humanity Housing Everett WA 12 $300,000 Housing -13 CHIP Program Everett WA 10 $250,000 Housing -13 Ranier Vista HOPE VI-Construction of 51 LIPH units Seattle WA 0 $1,500,000 Housing -6 High Point HOPE VI-Construction of parks Seattle WA 0 $1,000,000 Housing -12 Bell Tower Rehabilitation-Major system rehabilitation including water lines, ventilation system, windows, exterior coating, UFAS upgrades Seattle WA 0 $4,000,000 Housing -8 __________________________________________________________________ The table didn't import well. You must be very proud of your contribution. Maybe you all want to browse it to see where your money is going? http://www.planetizen.com/node/37335 http://www.stimuluswatch.org/project/by_program/Housing&per_page=600 Of course you'll get money for streets too, since you slackers aren't fixing your potholes evidently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 This is information retrieval not information dispersal. i've never been a fan of the boys over at information retrieval Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Last year government collected about 33 billion in revenue from the sale of cigarettes. What I would do going forward is to reject a similar amount of projected revenue from the sale of pot, and continue to spend 8 billion a year on anti-pot enforcement. Particularly given nationwide record deficits at all government levels. Yeah, that's what I'd do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 if everyone would just mail 1 dollar to their 3 closest friends, this thing would be fixed overnight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I'm going to mail you something I found floating in the bathroom this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Unless you mail me 3 dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Frieh Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Unless you mail me 3 dollars. Trash soliciting for a 3 dollar bill? Doesnt surprise me in the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 why dont we al just stimulate our own packages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 why dont we al just stimulate our own packages. spending your stimulus check on hookers (but not blow) would stimulate the american economy though trickle down man - share the wealth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 trickle down there boi!! ur talkin voodoo magic now....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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