rmncwrtr Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Has it been reported that Bristol wasn't using birth control? Just because the schools teach abstinence doesn't mean she wasn't taking precautions. We don't know what Sarah Palin taught her daughter in their home and what Bristol took away or didn't from the discussions. Seems like a lot of speculation to blame this pregnancy on an abstinence only sex ed program without knowing all the facts. What are you saying? Condoms never tear! And the pill is 100% effective! Birth control never ever ever fails!! Birth control fails all the time (and it can happen whether you're 17 or 37), but that's not what I was talking about. Many of the posts have been blaming the pregnancy on abstinence only sex ed policy in Alaska assuming that's the reason for the pregnancy. For all we know, Bristol knew all about birth control in spite of the abstinence only teaching yet she still got pregnant because nothing works 100% of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 you're getting a little simplistic with your analogy there. abstinence for sex isn't the only method available. if people are going to do it anyways, why not teach them about condoms or other methods? now as far as drugs and alcohol...well i have heard of people swallowing condoms full of coke, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't so they wouldn't get high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underworld Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 (edited) Has it been reported that Bristol wasn't using birth control? Just because the schools teach abstinence doesn't mean she wasn't taking precautions. We don't know what Sarah Palin taught her daughter in their home and what Bristol took away or didn't from the discussions. Seems like a lot of speculation to blame this pregnancy on an abstinence only sex ed program without knowing all the facts. What are you saying? Condoms never tear! And the pill is 100% effective! Birth control never ever ever fails!! Birth control fails all the time (and it can happen whether you're 17 or 37), but that's not what I was talking about. Many of the posts have been blaming the pregnancy on abstinence only sex ed policy in Alaska assuming that's the reason for the pregnancy. For all we know, Bristol knew all about birth control in spite of the abstinence only teaching yet she still got pregnant because nothing works 100% of the time. logic and reason have no place here!! Edited September 3, 2008 by underworld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 (edited) Has it been reported that Bristol wasn't using birth control? Just because the schools teach abstinence doesn't mean she wasn't taking precautions. We don't know what Sarah Palin taught her daughter in their home and what Bristol took away or didn't from the discussions. Seems like a lot of speculation to blame this pregnancy on an abstinence only sex ed program without knowing all the facts. What are you saying? Condoms never tear! And the pill is 100% effective! Birth control never ever ever fails!! Birth control fails all the time (and it can happen whether you're 17 or 37), but that's not what I was talking about. Many of the posts have been blaming the pregnancy on abstinence only sex ed policy in Alaska assuming that's the reason for the pregnancy. For all we know, Bristol knew all about birth control in spite of the abstinence only teaching yet she still got pregnant because nothing works 100% of the time. i'd take a wager on that one... Gary's point is that its hypocritical either way... 1. either she used BC and it failed, but mom was against using BC in the first place 2. or mom was for BC and it failed anyway 3. or she didn't use BC and that abstinence didn't work All we do know is that Sarah Palin is on record as against teaching safe sex and family planning and her teenage daughter is now pregnant. Edited September 3, 2008 by RuMR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Has it been reported that Bristol wasn't using birth control? Just because the schools teach abstinence doesn't mean she wasn't taking precautions. We don't know what Sarah Palin taught her daughter in their home and what Bristol took away or didn't from the discussions. Seems like a lot of speculation to blame this pregnancy on an abstinence only sex ed program without knowing all the facts. What are you saying? Condoms never tear! And the pill is 100% effective! Birth control never ever ever fails!! Birth control fails all the time (and it can happen whether you're 17 or 37), but that's not what I was talking about. Many of the posts have been blaming the pregnancy on abstinence only sex ed policy in Alaska assuming that's the reason for the pregnancy. For all we know, Bristol knew all about birth control in spite of the abstinence only teaching yet she still got pregnant because nothing works 100% of the time. logic and reason have no place here!! watch that first step off the soapbox, junior... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 weak...very weak... many kids won't do drugs...its a rare kid that fantazises about booze and drugs but not sex... seems to me, when i was a wee little teen, it (sex) was always on my mind...come to think about it, its still there...and i rarely think about when i'm gonna go get pounded and fucked up... Booze and drugs lower inhibitions. And don't sidestep the issue - kids drink, kids drive. We tell them not to, but they do it anyways. We need to teach them how to do it properly, don't you think? Teach the kids all about condoms, the pill, and a good number will ignore that advice right off the bat. No guy wants to wear a condom - lessens the "feel". And plenty of teenage boys will try to talk a girl into doing it w/o the condom. If the girl is not taught to be assertive in saying no - you know like if you taught abstinence properly, well she will not in this case either. Then of course there are the girls who get pregnant on purpose. You know, to "hook" the man they "love" and get him to marry them. Or so I've heard. You'll all deny it in your weak pontifications and right-wing bashing nonsense. And Dru - wherever you pull your 30% stat (out of your ass, I assume) - 20 years old is an adult. Break it down by say pre-16, and 16-17, and leave out the legal adults - 18 and over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underworld Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 it's not that abstinence didn't work - it's that she didn't use it. condoms don't work either when they aren't used. they both require the 'user' to be proactive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 (edited) Has it been reported that Bristol wasn't using birth control? Just because the schools teach abstinence doesn't mean she wasn't taking precautions. We don't know what Sarah Palin taught her daughter in their home and what Bristol took away or didn't from the discussions. Seems like a lot of speculation to blame this pregnancy on an abstinence only sex ed program without knowing all the facts. What are you saying? Condoms never tear! And the pill is 100% effective! Birth control never ever ever fails!! Birth control fails all the time (and it can happen whether you're 17 or 37), but that's not what I was talking about. Many of the posts have been blaming the pregnancy on abstinence only sex ed policy in Alaska assuming that's the reason for the pregnancy. For all we know, Bristol knew all about birth control in spite of the abstinence only teaching yet she still got pregnant because nothing works 100% of the time. i'd take a wager on that one... Gary's point is that its hypocritical either way... 1. either she used BC and it failed, but mom was against using BC in the first place 2. or mom was for BC and it failed anyway 3. or she didn't use BC and that abstinence didn't work All we do know is that Sarah Palin is on record as against teaching safe sex and family planning and her teenage daughter is now pregnant. The biggest difference between Gary and Bristol, is Gary couldn't get laid if his life depended on it. Edited September 3, 2008 by KaskadskyjKozak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 weak...very weak... many kids won't do drugs...its a rare kid that fantazises about booze and drugs but not sex... seems to me, when i was a wee little teen, it (sex) was always on my mind...come to think about it, its still there...and i rarely think about when i'm gonna go get pounded and fucked up... Booze and drugs lower inhibitions. And don't sidestep the issue - kids drink, kids drive. We tell them not to, but they do it anyways. We need to teach them how to do it properly, don't you think? Teach the kids all about condoms, the pill, and a good number will ignore that advice right off the bat. No guy wants to wear a condom - lessens the "feel". And plenty of teenage boys will try to talk a girl into doing it w/o the condom. If the girl is not taught to be assertive in saying no - you know like if you taught abstinence properly, well she will not in this case either. Then of course there are the girls who get pregnant on purpose. You know, to "hook" the man they "love" and get him to marry them. Or so I've heard. You'll all deny it in your weak pontifications and right-wing bashing nonsense. And Dru - wherever you pull your 30% stat (out of your ass, I assume) - 20 years old is an adult. Break it down by say pre-16, and 16-17, and leave out the legal adults - 18 and over. quick question to yourself... when did you first get laid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underworld Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Has it been reported that Bristol wasn't using birth control? Just because the schools teach abstinence doesn't mean she wasn't taking precautions. We don't know what Sarah Palin taught her daughter in their home and what Bristol took away or didn't from the discussions. Seems like a lot of speculation to blame this pregnancy on an abstinence only sex ed program without knowing all the facts. What are you saying? Condoms never tear! And the pill is 100% effective! Birth control never ever ever fails!! Birth control fails all the time (and it can happen whether you're 17 or 37), but that's not what I was talking about. Many of the posts have been blaming the pregnancy on abstinence only sex ed policy in Alaska assuming that's the reason for the pregnancy. For all we know, Bristol knew all about birth control in spite of the abstinence only teaching yet she still got pregnant because nothing works 100% of the time. logic and reason have no place here!! watch that first step off the soapbox, junior... was i actually on a soapbox? really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 And Dru - wherever you pull your 30% stat BBC News yesterday, covering Palin. You can find it on their website. Teenager is less than or equal to 19. Hence teen pregnancy = pregnant teenager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Teenager is less than or equal to 19. Hence teen pregnancy = pregnant teenager. And that inflates and distorts the stat that actually matters. Once you're an adult it's a whole different issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 adult is different...18? 21? ??? teen is teen. starts at 13 and goes to 19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 adult is different...18? 21? ??? teen is teen. starts at 13 and goes to 19. We as a society define an adult as age 18. I see a huge difference between an 18 or 19 y.o. getting pregnant than a teeny bopper 16 y.o. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 so adults can't drink liqour in WA state? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhalteke Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Wow. Let's mire ourselves in semantics. The chick got knocked up. She isn't running for office. She didn't use abstinence. She had the same result with that contraceptive technique that one would have if they didn't use a rubber, IUD, pill, or shot. No contraceptive techniques work unless you use them. Abstinence is still the only method with a 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% track record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 People don't become mentally competent adults until at least age 25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 so adults can't drink liqour in WA state? yep. and kids can drive cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 People don't become mentally competent adults until at least age 25. or, in your case, ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Abstinence is still the only method with a 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% track record. That 0.0% of the population actually uses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Abstinence is still the only method with a 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% track record. That 0.0% of the population actually uses. sorry, but you forgot about Gary. not by choice, but nevertheless... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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olyclimber Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Wow. Let's mire ourselves in semantics. The chick got knocked up. She isn't running for office. She didn't use abstinence. She had the same result with that contraceptive technique that one would have if they didn't use a rubber, IUD, pill, or shot. No contraceptive techniques work unless you use them. Abstinence is still the only method with a 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% track record. And John McCain, knowing that she got knocked up, and would be drug through the same machine the tracked the OJ trial, Britney Spears and KFed, and the rest....picked her mom for VP anyway, even though there were more qualified Republican women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 i think he's trying to throw the election...or he wants in Palin's pants... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 And John McCain, knowing that she got knocked up, and would be drug through the same machine the tracked the OJ trail, Britney Spears and KFed, and the rest....picked her mom for VP anyway, even though there were more qualified Republican women. Only if he knew, which he didn't. It's most likely that Sarah Palin wasn't even told until after McCain picked her. "Uh, Mom...I have something to tell you..." Brutal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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