Democratic National Convention

[kevbone]

Anyone been watching? Did you see Ted Kennedy's speach?

 

"Health care is a right, not a privilege"

 

I could not agree more.

[Peter_Puget]

While watching check this out. I really like the graph near the bottom: link

[Bug]

Anyone been watching? Did you see Ted Kennedy's speach?

 

"Health care is a right, not a privilege"

 

I could not agree more.

I disagree in part with Kennedy's tactics. I beleive we need a safety net but we also need a culture of work. To give millions of people food stamps and rent in exchange for nothing is worse than a taxpayer rip-off, it teaches their children that they do not need to work either. Kennedy is the figurehead for hard left adherance to the welfare program and will be glad to see him depart from the political scene so that PERHAPS more moderate people can lead a change in the structure of welfare and thereby set up a more trustworthy program for health care.

YOU CAN'T GET SOMETHING FOR NOTHING.

Everyone should work unless they are clearly incapacitated.

There should be levels of support, both in welfare and health, depending on how much a person (adult) contributes. I'm not talking about withholding health care to emergency or traumatic needs. But there should be levels of support in terms of 1 on 1 care, number of people per room, etc.

We need to reinstil a work ethic across the board. If you get assistance, you work for it. If you don't work, you barely get by and your kids can go to group kitchens to get fed.

Harsh? Definately. But not as harsh imo as TEACHING generations to not work and to not have any self respect.

Talk about riots. I know. The transition is the most problematic.

[kevbone]

I agree that everyone needs to work.....but what does that have to do with healthcare? That is the problem.....you are tying in working with healthcare. They should be separate.

[iluka]

Anyone been watching? Did you see Ted Kennedy's speach?

 

"Health care is a right, not a privilege"

 

I could not agree more.

I disagree in part with Kennedy's tactics. I beleive we need a safety net but we also need a culture of work. To give millions of people food stamps and rent in exchange for nothing is worse than a taxpayer rip-off, it teaches their children that they do not need to work either. Kennedy is the figurehead for hard left adherance to the welfare program and will be glad to see him depart from the political scene so that PERHAPS more moderate people can lead a change in the structure of welfare and thereby set up a more trustworthy program for health care.

YOU CAN'T GET SOMETHING FOR NOTHING.

Everyone should work unless they are clearly incapacitated.

There should be levels of support, both in welfare and health, depending on how much a person (adult) contributes. I'm not talking about withholding health care to emergency or traumatic needs. But there should be levels of support in terms of 1 on 1 care, number of people per room, etc.

We need to reinstil a work ethic across the board. If you get assistance, you work for it. If you don't work, you barely get by and your kids can go to group kitchens to get fed.

Harsh? Definately. But not as harsh imo as TEACHING generations to not work and to not have any self respect.

Talk about riots. I know. The transition is the most problematic.

 

And what about all those people who do work hard and don't get insurance coverage through their employers or do receive coverage but have substantial financial obligations (eg. copays, deductibles) themselves or work for themselves and struggle to afford insurance?

 

 

[jon]

I can't wait to hear Hillary talk tonight and make us feel sorry for her that she is still stuck with campaign debt. Even a presidential candidate can show people how to live outside their means.

[prole]

I disagree in part with Kennedy's tactics. I beleive we need a safety net but we also need a culture of work. To give millions of people food stamps and rent in exchange for nothing is worse than a taxpayer rip-off, it teaches their children that they do not need to work either. Kennedy is the figurehead for hard left adherance to the welfare program and will be glad to see him depart from the political scene so that PERHAPS more moderate people can lead a change in the structure of welfare and thereby set up a more trustworthy program for health care.

YOU CAN'T GET SOMETHING FOR NOTHING.

Everyone should work unless they are clearly incapacitated.

There should be levels of support, both in welfare and health, depending on how much a person (adult) contributes. I'm not talking about withholding health care to emergency or traumatic needs. But there should be levels of support in terms of 1 on 1 care, number of people per room, etc.

We need to reinstil a work ethic across the board. If you get assistance, you work for it. If you don't work, you barely get by and your kids can go to group kitchens to get fed.

Harsh? Definately. But not as harsh imo as TEACHING generations to not work and to not have any self respect.

Talk about riots. I know. The transition is the most problematic.

 

Sorry, I'd love to spend more time with this, learning more about your point of view, doing some more research on health-care alternatives for our country, and crafting a thoughtful rebuttal, but I have to go to work!

[akhalteke]

I agree that everyone needs to work.....but what does that have to do with healthcare? That is the problem.....you are tying in working with healthcare. They should be separate.

 

For the same reasons that your federal retirement portfolio will be depleted before you reach the age of 40.

[kevbone]

I have a federal retirement portfolio? Who knew?

[ZONK]

People who ride in a car with Ted need health care ! or a Grave site.

Hillary is not broke, how much of your tax dollors went to her campain ?

 

 

 

[dberdinka]

..... The transition is the most problematic.

 

Those who don't work already have healthcare coverage through Medicaid.

 

The 40+ million who don't include a great number of individuals who do work but don't get healthcare benefits through their employer and can't afford them out of pocket.

 

[Peter_Puget]

is the lack of a bump itself a different kind of bump?

[dberdinka]

A ditch?

[Peter_Puget]

..... The transition is the most problematic.

 

Those who don't work already have healthcare coverage through Medicaid.

 

The 40+ million who don't include a great number of individuals who do work but don't get healthcare benefits through their employer and can't afford them out of pocket.

 

ya ya ya.....

 

 

[prole]

The 40+ million who don't include a great number of individuals who do work but don't get healthcare benefits through their employer and can't afford them out of pocket.

 

Try it in economics lingo, it sounds less harsh: "These people lack the willingness to pay and are therefore unable to generate effective demand." Either way, the capitalist market in health care doesn't give a fuck.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

..... The transition is the most problematic.

 

Those who don't work already have healthcare coverage through Medicaid.

 

The 40+ million who don't include a great number of individuals who do work but don't get healthcare benefits through their employer and can't afford them out of pocket.

 

ya ya ya.....

 

 

exactly.

 

Just about anyone can afford at least to pay for catastrophic insurance. Many of these "uninsured" CHOOSE to be so. But they'll happily have someone else pay for it.

 

F*** socialism.

 

[KaskadskyjKozak]

The 40+ million who don't include a great number of individuals who do work but don't get healthcare benefits through their employer and can't afford them out of pocket.

 

Try it in economics lingo, it sounds less harsh: "These people lack the willingness to pay and are therefore unable to generate effective demand." Either way, the capitalist market in health care doesn't give a fuck.

 

Also sprecht Unser Marxist.

 

[Peter_Puget]

The 40+ million who don't include a great number of individuals who do work but don't get healthcare benefits through their employer and can't afford them out of pocket.

 

Try it in economics lingo, it sounds less harsh: "These people lack the willingness to pay and are therefore unable to generate effective demand." Either way, the capitalist market in health care doesn't give a fuck.

 

According to the US Census Bureau, 17 million of those without health insurance live in households having over $50,000 in annual income. That's 38% of the uninsured in America.

 

In fact, 9 million - 20% of the uninsured - reside in households pulling down more than $75K a year.

 

Ignorance thy name is prole......

 

 

 

 

 

 

[KaskadskyjKozak]

The 40+ million who don't include a great number of individuals who do work but don't get healthcare benefits through their employer and can't afford them out of pocket.

 

Try it in economics lingo, it sounds less harsh: "These people lack the willingness to pay and are therefore unable to generate effective demand." Either way, the capitalist market in health care doesn't give a fuck.

 

According to the US Census Bureau, 17 million of those without health insurance live in households having over $50,000 in annual income. That's 38% of the uninsured in America.

 

In fact, 9 million - 20% of the uninsured - reside in households pulling down more than $75K a year.

 

Ignorance thy name is prole......

 

 

 

 

 

 

WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE!

[Peter_Puget]

Worker? LOL I am sure he is in middle school somewhere and doesn't work at all.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Worker? LOL I am sure he is in middle school somewhere and doesn't work at all.

 

I'm sure WWU has a chapter of the Komsomol to which Prole is active member, you bourgeousie capitalist pig!

[prole]

Whoo, everybody sure is touchy! Such reflexive defensiveness is a sure sign that things aren't going so well for you guys.

[tvashtarkatena]

The 40+ million who don't include a great number of individuals who do work but don't get healthcare benefits through their employer and can't afford them out of pocket.

 

Try it in economics lingo, it sounds less harsh: "These people lack the willingness to pay and are therefore unable to generate effective demand." Either way, the capitalist market in health care doesn't give a fuck.

 

According to the US Census Bureau, 17 million of those without health insurance live in households having over $50,000 in annual income. That's 38% of the uninsured in America.

 

In fact, 9 million - 20% of the uninsured - reside in households pulling down more than $75K a year.

 

Ignorance thy name is prole......

 

 

 

 

 

So, what you're saying is that the majority of folks who don't have healthcare can't afford it, so we don't have a problem. Thanks for the clarification. You really got Prole this time.

[Peter_Puget]

LOL I can already taste the sandwich and beer Jim will be buying me in just a few short months. I'll have my sister send up her old John McCain POW bracelet for him to wear while we dine.

[tvashtarkatena]

Only a fool confidently predicts the future, but then again, your position is secure without them.