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Did Bush Co. really think that the Russians would not respond to his preposterous missle defense idea creeping towards their border? They can regain territory lost in the 1990's and stop the West'encroachment there. I would imagine Poland and Czech rep. are nervous.

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Wll duh, Putin has just adopted the preemption doctrine and there is not a hell of a lot we can do about it as it is their back yard and we are tied down elsewhere.

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too little, too late- this sums up a foreign policy of the administration. it was obvious to me, that all the "back door deals" (like Yalta) always backfire in a long run. when will people in the West finally learn that you can't make deals with russia? this is the most pro- communist administration since WWII. Since 9/11 they went hand in hand with putin, who pretended fight with terrorists! US of A gave this mother fucker a free hand in Chechnya, they allowed him to resurrect soviet union 2. signs were all over, but yet again ignored by dumbshit Rice, who doesn't have a shred of knowledge about former eastern block and how things work over there. looking back i would not be surprised a bit if the whole 9/11 was not orchestrated from behind the scenes (through their proxies) by GRU, which judging by the number of spies removed from Great Britain is alive and well.

Anyway- this is just the begging. i am sure "russian minorities" of Baltic States, Slovakia, Poland and Ukraine will need to be defended by all mighty russian red army.

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judging by a whooping response from people who claim to be "right wing" one must assume that their pussies shriveled upon surfacing of these facts. at least assintake is for once on the right side of the issue.

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So Glass. You don't think that the Georgians were trying to take advantage of their newfound friendship with the U.S.? They have been vying for a few pieces of land.

 

It is every bit as complicated as the Israel/Palestine; though it is interesting to see your viewpoint shift as to whom to support.

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this is not that complicated. system used from the beginning of soviet union. create a regional conflict and enter a pace keepers.

today on NPR there was an interview with russian ambassador to the UN. he claimed russia was not going to invade Georgia. now this in Georgia

looking at the larger scale there were several articles in russian media in the past several month, claiming oppression of russian minorities in the Baltic States. where do you think the russian troops will go next.

Israeli/Palestine issue is also not that complicated. but it is a different issue from one we discuss here.

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...but Putin said this...

"But the current Georgian rulers who in one hour simply wiped 10 Ossetian villages from the face of the earth, the Georgian rulers which used tanks to run over children and the elderly, which threw civilians into cellars and burnt them -- they (Georgian leaders) are players that have to be protected."

 

 

I believe him.

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...but Putin said this...

"But the current Georgian rulers who in one hour simply wiped 10 Ossetian villages from the face of the earth, the Georgian rulers which used tanks to run over children and the elderly, which threw civilians into cellars and burnt them -- they (Georgian leaders) are players that have to be protected."

 

 

I believe him.

 

you believe Putin? :noway:

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I didn't think the satiric winky face was necessary on that one. Putin is a crazed mobster and needs to be reeled in. Is there any doubt he is the one really at the reigns as Medvedev hasn't said more than a few words about the conflict?

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April 3, 2008 - NATO member states at a summit in Bucharest agree that Georgia and Ukraine can one day join the alliance. They stop short of giving them a firm timetable for accession.

 

April 16 - Russian President Vladimir Putin orders officials to establish semi-official ties with separatist administrations in Georgia's Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Georgia says the order is a violation of international law.

 

April 20 - Georgia says a Russian Mig-29 fighter jet shot down a Georgian drone flying over Abkhazia. Russia denies involvement. A United Nations report will later back Georgian version of events.

 

April 29 - Russia sends extra troops to Abkhazia to counter what it says are Georgian plans for an attack. The next day NATO accuses Moscow of stoking tensions with Georgia.

 

May 4 - Separatists in Abkhazia say they shot down two Georgian spy drones over the territory they control. Georgia denies any such flights.

 

May 6 - Georgia says Russia's deployment of extra troops in Abkhazia has brought the prospect of war "very close".

 

May 30 - Georgia says it stopped flights by unpiloted spy planes over Abkhazia but reserves the right to resume them.

 

May 31 - Putin, now prime minister, says he backs a Georgian proposal for Abkhazia's autonomy but not full independence.

 

July 5 - Russian President Dmitry Medvedev urges Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili to refrain from "stoking tensions" in Georgia's breakaway regions.

 

July 8 - Russian fighter jets fly into Georgian airspace over South Ossetia. Moscow says the mission was intended to "cool hot heads in Tbilisi." Two days later Georgia recalls its ambassador from Moscow in protest.

 

Aug. 4 - Russia accuses Georgia of using excessive force in South Ossetia after the Russian-backed rebels said Georgian artillery had killed at least six people.

 

Aug. 7 - Georgian troops attack South Ossetian capital after a truce with rebels breaks down, Russia says Tbilisi cannot be trusted and NATO should reconsider its plans to admit Georgia.

 

Aug. 8 - Russia sends forces into Georgia to repel the Georgian assault. Medvedev vows to defend Russian "compatriots".

 

-- Saakashvili says the two countries are at war.

 

Aug. 10 - Georgia offers Russia a ceasefire after pulling troops from Tskhinvali after three days of fighting with Russian forces.

 

Aug. 11 - Russia issues an ultimatum to Georgian forces near Abkhazia to disarm or be attacked. Georgia rejects the demand. Saakashvili says Russia wants to replace his government and control energy routes through the Caucasus. Russia rejects Georgian ceasefire proposal.

 

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Perhaps he's looking for some more good "Russian" men like Lavrentij Pavlovich or Iosif Vissarionovich?

 

...or Nickolai Ovchinnikov. :rolleyes:

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