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scott_harpell

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Hey, how about Afghanistan? We should have origianlly worked harder with NATO and other forces to stabilize that country as much as possible. We cannot "police" the whole world.

 

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McCain will be surrounded by the fools of W, the same ones that have created this political disaster in Iraq.

 

And as far as an immediate withdrawal from Iraq, well after so many years there, the Iraqis have not taken the ball and run with it. Our soldiers should not be kept in harms way trying to support the disasterous policies of lame duck W.

 

I really deisagree wholeheartedly. The military and the police have been holding their own and have conducted some relatively complicated maneuvers with minimal guidance from the americans. Many ops are being completed wholy free of US guidance.

 

I would like to hear any evidence that you have to suggest that the Iraqis are not "taking the ball." They are facing death threats and actual death daily in choosing to serve their country and for that I applaud them.

 

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Hey, how about Afghanistan? We should have origianlly worked harder with NATO and other forces to stabilize that country as much as possible. We cannot "police" the whole world.

 

How so?

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As we fight the terrorists, we're working to build capable and effective Iraqi security forces, so they can take the lead in the fight -- and eventually take responsibility for the safety and security of their citizens without major foreign assistance.

 

And on the economic side, we're helping the Iraqis rebuild their infrastructure, reform their economy, and build the prosperity that will give all Iraqis a stake in a free and peaceful Iraq. In doing all this we have involved the United Nations, other international organizations, our coalition partners, and supportive regional states in helping Iraqis build their future.

 

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The Iraqis fought and sustained casualties. Yet in most situations, the Iraqi role was limited to protecting the flanks of coalition forces, and securing ground that had already been cleared by our troops. This year in TAL Afar, it was a very different story.

 

The assault was primarily led by Iraqi security forces -- 11 Iraqi battalions, backed by five coalition battalions providing support. Many Iraqi units conducted their own anti-terrorist operations and controlled their own battle space -- hunting for enemy fighters and securing neighborhoods block-by-block. To consolidate their military success, Iraqi units stayed behind to help maintain law and order -- and reconstruction projects have been started to improve infrastructure and create jobs and provide hope.

 

One of the Iraqi soldiers who fought in TAL Afar was a private named Tarek Hazem. This brave Iraqi fighter says, "We're not afraid. We're here to protect our country. All we feel is motivated to kill the terrorists." Iraqi forces not only cleared the city, they held it. And because of the skill and courage of the Iraqi forces, the citizens of TAL Afar were able to vote in October's constitutional referendum.

 

 

I doubt you would have the balls to tell Tarek that he dropped the ball

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funny how concept of "peace in the middle east" used to be pretty much a joke, and now it has become our mission (for a chunk of it at least).

 

will it be George W. Bush's legacy to be the president to finally bring peace to the middle east? ;)

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McCain will be surrounded by the fools of W, the same ones that have created this political disaster in Iraq.

 

bullshit. McCain couldn't be more different than W and he hates W's guts.

 

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McCain will be surrounded by the fools of W, the same ones that have created this political disaster in Iraq.

 

bullshit. McCain couldn't be more different than W and he hates W's guts.

 

it seems like he wants to be president more than he wants to be different than W.

 

mccain_bush-hug.jpg

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McCain will be surrounded by the fools of W, the same ones that have created this political disaster in Iraq.

 

bullshit. McCain couldn't be more different than W and he hates W's guts.

 

it seems like he wants to be president more than he wants to be different than W.

 

mccain_bush-hug.jpg

 

he's sucking up to get elected. he'll be his own man if he gets into office, no doubt about that. his chances are slim though - he's walking a tightrope even more precarious than Gore was in '00

 

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he's sucking up to get elected. he'll be his own man if he gets into office, no doubt about that. his chances are slim though - he's walking a tightrope even more precarious than Gore was in '00

 

he's a maverick

he's a freethinker

he's a libertarian

 

he's reading from the talking points

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sounds like a politician! say whatever you have to in order to get elected, then do whatever you want once you are.

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mccain_bush-hug.jpg

 

 

John: "Oh George, I'm so sorry that I tried to stand up to the GOP's religious fucknut wing. I deserved everything you dished out in South Carolina."

 

George: "Come to Jeeeeesus, Johnny, and you shall be foregiven."

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sounds like a politician! say whatever you have to in order to get elected, then do whatever you want once you are.

 

but you do have "reward" your supporters as well (with appointments and paybacks), so you might not get to do "whatever" you want

 

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heh, correct. quite a system we have here! or is it just the people?

 

i believe that it is the republican view people are inherently good, and thus trustable with minimal oversight.

 

the libs view people as inherently bad, and thus require tons of regulation.

 

or is it the other way around? :crazy:

 

anyway, politics as usual.

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heh, correct. quite a system we have here! or is it just the people?

 

i believe that it is the republican view people are inherently good, and thus trustable with minimal oversight.

 

the libs view people as inherently bad, and thus require tons of regulation.

 

or is it the other way around? :crazy:

 

anyway, politics as usual.

 

"people" are inherently good. unfortunately, politicians are not human.

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have the balls

 

let my balls out of this.

 

Two quick issues about Iraq:

1 Should we have gone in, NO.

2 Should we have stayed: yes for a while since we did commit ourselves, our troops, our money, security issues.

But, the time to have stayed, 6-7 years is past. Iraq must foot their own bill now. You'all can go home now.

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