dougd Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 The chinese efforts remind us once again of how technology can reduce a great mountain to where it is almost nothing. Sad... http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=3386121 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtom Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 The chinese efforts remind us once again of how technology can reduce a great mountain to where it is almost nothing. Sad... What technology are you bitching about? The only two items mentioned in the article are the torch, which was basically a canister stove, and the broadcasting gear. Live satellite feed Everest climbing was actually started by Westerners. http://www.humanedgetech.com/indexnews.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenderfour Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 They had an oven at basecamp. Nothing stands in the way of a high-altitude mountaineer when he has fresh banana bread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 they shoulda lit the flame w/ a tibetan's fart while simulatenously beating a darfurian kid to death w/ a baby panda bear i woulda tuned into the live broadcast for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder206 Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 The network wasn't targeting your demographic, duh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 silly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmace Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 So it looks like Addidas and La Sportiva sponsored the event, would that change your view on these companies ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 So it looks like Addidas and La Sportiva sponsored the event, would that change your view on these companies ? it wouldn't change my opinion much on the nature of companies, no. i think i can guess where all the shoes those boys sell are made too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rad Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 IMHO that's a much better way to show national pride than invading helpless countries like Grenada, detonating test nuclear warheads, or performing one of a host of other military muscle flexing scenarios. Besides, if anyone gets frostbite you could just use the blue flame to quickly thaw it. If they are too far gone and need to be amputated you can toast up a tasty protein supplement... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texplorer Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 The chinese are just get rid of their own version of the "indian problem" that our country dealt with 130 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gertlush Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 The fact that they used oxygen (a performance enhancing drug) ties in quite nicely with the Olympic spirit. Anyway that peak was more likely Rum Doodle than Everest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 IMHO that's a much better way to show national pride than invading helpless countries like Grenada, detonating test nuclear warheads, or performing one of a host of other military muscle flexing scenarios. Paging Mr. Hilter, Mr. Hilter... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougd Posted May 9, 2008 Author Share Posted May 9, 2008 Shit, anybody can climb Everest now. If a fat biker from LA, with enough metal in his body from surgeries to set off metal detectors from miles away, can pay $50k to have some kiwis short rope him to the summit and get him down safely with a broken hand... chinese television station at base, internet cafe's, trash piles... WTF is Everest now? It's a joke. And I find that sad. Now we got the chinese summiting with a token Tibetan woman and a large candle... It's disrespectful to what was once a great mountain. If I ever go back to Everest, it'll be to help clean up that mess JMHO of course. d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam13 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Fuck China. The bastards claimed to have summited 2 days before even though people saw them turn around after the 2nd step. wonder what else they lie to the world about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_leclerc Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 IMHO that's a much better way to show national pride than invading helpless countries like Grenada, detonating test nuclear warheads, or performing one of a host of other military muscle flexing scenarios. Paging Mr. Hilter, Mr. Hilter... Thats the Eiger NF Team right? Harrer's facial expression in that pic is priceless! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazegirl Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 (edited) Fuck China. The bastards claimed to have summited 2 days before even though people saw them turn around after the 2nd step. wonder what else they lie to the world about. You are the liar! Go China! I'm very proud of that I am a Chinese. I think this event is great, shows a great spirit of strength and unity. The torch of the Olympics is a symbol of peace and love when athletes come together.... Study history, not the media. The truth is not to be found in the television broadcast. Please feel China by yourself not by Distorted Media Reports. Edited May 10, 2008 by mazegirl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 I've watched Chinese government officials run Tibetans off the road and deny that they were responsible for shelling and destroying Tibetan monasteries. The Chinese Government (not necessarily the people) are a bunch of fucking assholes. As to a few comments trying to compare our treatment of native Americans you really haven't paid much attention to the big picture. Yes Americans behaved badly, and some continue to, but there are many nonnative Americans that have devoted a lot of time and effort to making, "indians," lives better and making our government straighten up. I have family members that devoted time and effort for this. If this were China the Chinese government would have had them shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bug Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Mazegirl, I respect the Chinese people but not the Chinese government. Tibet is being destroyed by Chinese Government policy and military force. It is no different than when the Taliban destroyed the 800 year old buddist statues except that more buddists are being killed in Tibet. I look forward to the day when this older regime dies off and the Chinese gov stops killing people for practicing their multi thousand year old traditions. No I have not been there but I have spoken with Tibetan refugees. I suggest you do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougd Posted May 10, 2008 Author Share Posted May 10, 2008 Be proud to be chinese. I can understand that... But nobody could really be proud of what the chinese are doing in Tibet. Nobody in their right mind that is... d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 i wonder if mazegirl lives in china Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougd Posted May 10, 2008 Author Share Posted May 10, 2008 Well, wherever she resides, she is obviously a nationalist. Nationalism is dangerous, and for a time we saw it on the rise in our own country. I think it is waning now in the US as more and more americans see our own terrible mistake in iraq. I'm only a little sorry this thread has turned political, but it was not unanticipated... I hope to be able to get back to the mountains soon, and kick some steps... d "Climb the mountains and get their good tidings. Nature's peace will flow into you as sunshine flows into trees. The winds will blow their freshness into you, and the storms their energy, while cares will drop off like falling leaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 IMHO that's a much better way to show national pride than invading helpless countries like Grenada, detonating test nuclear warheads, or performing one of a host of other military muscle flexing scenarios. Paging Mr. Hilter, Mr. Hilter... Thats the Eiger NF Team right? Harrer's facial expression in that pic is priceless! Yes, shortly before they were congratulated by Herr Hitler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazegirl Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 (edited) FYI: Articles: Tibet: A Reality Check. Article published in Frontier, a national magazine in India http://www.flonnet.com/fl1718/17180040.htm Article written by MA.Jones, an Australian teacher in a Chinese university who stayed in China for 5 years. http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=68073&sid=ce0b20590dd445725153c83b5ef21c7f NEW ATTITUDES: Old Tibet no Shangri-La http://www.ajc.com/search/content/opinion/stories/2008/04/08/newatted0408.html Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth Yale Professor Dr.Michael Parenti http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html Article by Melvyn C. Goldstein http://www.foreignaffairs.org/19980101faessay1360/melvyn-c-goldstein/the-dalai-lama-s-dilemma.html http://www.salon.com/news/1998/07/13news.html http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/1999/04/11/pinochet990411.html Tibet, China and the United States: Reflections on the Tibet Question.by Melvyn C. Goldstein, http://omni.cc.purdue.edu/~wtv/tibet/article/art4.html “The Snow Lion and the Dragon, China, Tibet, and the Dalai Lama", by Melvyn Goldstein, http://www.amazon.com/Snow-Lion-Dragon-China-Tibet/dp/0520219511 A Year in Tibet (BBC), http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page/item/b00936pn.shtml , only available to UK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_sovereignty_debate The Secret Truth about The Dalai Lama http://www.newspiritualbible.com/index2.html Tibet, the 'great game' and the CIA http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/JC26Ad02.html Why They Hate China http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12585 Videos Tibet: The Truth, “Study history, not media. The truth is not to be found in the television broadcast.” The documentary (a Youtube clip) made in 1944 during the WWII said very clearly: Tibet was part of China. If so, how can it become questionable today? Free Tibet? Wait, where is Tibet? "Free Tibet" voice from an American youth Dalai "Da-Lie" Lama's Naked Truth Exposed; The CIA in TIBET 1 http://youtube.com/watch?v=tOhDBo6x2ZY The CIA in TIBET 2: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Iwu5qYosTo0 The CIA in TIBET 3: http://youtube.com/watch?v=b2iaIcoHBl4 The CIA in TIBET 4: http://youtube.com/watch?v=zJYamwYSe2M The CIA in TIBET 5: http://youtube.com/watch?v=FviSTNWRgHU The CIA in TIBET 6: http://youtube.com/watch?v=8yMV0-KOY1k Jack Cafferty CNN Edited May 12, 2008 by mazegirl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rad Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 "Climb the mountains and get their good tidings. Nature's peace will flow into you as sunshine flows into trees. The winds will blow their freshness into you, and the storms their energy, while cares will drop off like falling leaves." I know I've read that before. Is it John Muir? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 (edited) gee thanks but isn't this a form of media. i was just wondering where you laid your hat. Edited May 11, 2008 by pink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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