mattp Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 CC.COM posters Fairweather and KK will be delighted: their antichrist is going to step down. ABC News: Fidel Castro To Step Down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendershot Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Whew, Fidel was a real terrorist threat, but was smart enough not to try an assasinate a former prez or have any oil in his country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fear_and_greed Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 The brilliance of the US foreign policy really shows at this moment in history. The embargo was a success! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirwoofalot Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 It is too bad for the people of Cuba. I am sure the socialist love to lift up Cuba as the shinning example of Socialism at it’s finest. Oh, yaeh, you forgot me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 well i would like to visit cuba, so hopefully this is a step in the direction towards making that easier (i know several people who have visited via indirect travel, and it looks like a beautiful place). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder206 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Once shrub is appointed a 3rd term, your kind will go to Cuba, just not the part of the island you hope for! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted February 19, 2008 Author Share Posted February 19, 2008 I liked hearing Bush say this morning that he hopes they have fair elections. If he'd have felt the same about his own election I bet we wouldn't be bogged down in Iraq right now. Te guys who think Castro was the biggest criminal since Hitler and Stalin, however, will probably see no contradiction in GW's remarks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 well i would like to visit cuba, so hopefully this is a step in the direction towards making that easier (i know several people who have visited via indirect travel, and it looks like a beautiful place). i'd like to legally buy cuban smokes. :-) it's kind of funny how we hold grudges for a 45+-years-gone-by bloody nose, but I guess that's the way it is. once that bastard kicks the bucket, i'm sure we'll move towards normal relations again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted February 19, 2008 Author Share Posted February 19, 2008 Damn, KK. You didn't take my bait and you wrote something I agree with. What's wrong with you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Damn, KK. You didn't take my bait and you wrote something I agree with. What's wrong with you? Hey Hemingway loved Cuba, that's good enough for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted February 19, 2008 Author Share Posted February 19, 2008 mmm cuban smokes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirwoofalot Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Damn, KK. You didn't take my bait and you wrote something I agree with. What's wrong with you? Yeah, well I almost did. I will follow KK’s lead and not bite on the election remarks; however, on a different subject, the economy, Cuba is a shining example of socialism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirwoofalot Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Damn, KK. You didn't take my bait and you wrote something I agree with. What's wrong with you? Hey Hemingway loved Cuba, that's good enough for me! I am sure there is a lot to love about Cuba, there is not an ugly place on the earth that was made by God, but the real ugly places are all man made. I take that back, cats can be ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted February 19, 2008 Author Share Posted February 19, 2008 Yeah, well I almost did. I will follow KK’s lead and not bite on the election remarks; Would you argue that the recent problems with elections, that overwhelmingly occurred at the behest of Republicans, has NOT undermined faith in the fairness of the American electoral process? Lets start a new thread so you can make your point. I gotta get some work done today, but I can spare a few minutes on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirwoofalot Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Yeah, well I almost did. I will follow KK’s lead and not bite on the election remarks; Would you argue that the recent problems with elections, that overwhelmingly occurred at the behest of Republicans, has NOT undermined faith in the fairness of the American electoral process? Lets start a new thread so you can make your point. I gotta get some work done today, but I can spare a few minutes on that. Nope. the law of the land was carried out. the Republicans won, and democrates lost. End of story, end of thread. In November you will get another chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted February 19, 2008 Author Share Posted February 19, 2008 OK then. Let's see what happens if the Dems take power for several years. IF they redraw the voting districts to favor their reelection, if the newest government contractor for voting machines says they are going to deliver votes to the Dems and it looks as if they may in fact actually do so, and if the dems interfere with access to the polls in Republican districts you are not going to complain. Gerrymandering, lying about the capability to make election machines that produce a receipt, providing reduced services for voters in specific districts is all legal, right? I'm not saying the Democrats are necessarily more honest than the Republicans, but it seems clear that the R's took advantage of power and access to the process. It DOES cause cynicism - even among voters who may share your political views on other topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mattp Posted February 19, 2008 Author Share Posted February 19, 2008 Has anybody really talked much about this? I know that gerrymandering is as old as American Pie, but doesn't it just plain stink? The sitting politicians would never support it but might it otherwise be feasible to redraw the maps based on some modern census data or something at least arguably apolitical like market-area analysis, or simple geometry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 No Mattp - gerymandering is clearly the result of the REPUBLICANS being in the majority in the US House and Senate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Wasn't at least one stated purpose of gerrymandering to more or less guarantee racial minorities seats in congress? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted February 19, 2008 Author Share Posted February 19, 2008 No Mattp - gerymandering is clearly the result of the REPUBLICANS being in the majority in the US House and Senate. No time for reading comprehension? I clearly did NOT make such an argument. What I said was that the Republicans have been more successful LATELY but I suffer no illusion that the Democrats would not do the same if they had the same access. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 What about areas with increased ilegal alien populations. Representatives are distributed based on population. To the extent illegals are included too many representatives are assigned and thus voter in these areas have in effect a mightier vote than those in other areas. One man, one vote! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirwoofalot Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 No Mattp - gerymandering is clearly the result of the REPUBLICANS being in the majority in the US House and Senate. There is a very old Chinese saying that goes, “Crows are black all around the world”. Translation is all politics stinks. It is not a new, and it is not unique to republicans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Talk about thread drift Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Mattp- Who determines congressional districts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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