aussie69 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Does anyone else think this ass-hole is just jumping on the legalize it, free love, bandwagon or am i flying solo here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Sorry, but that's old time Libertarian dogma, Ron didn't invent it. His anti abortion stance is quite Republican though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussie69 Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 I wish he was the real deal I think its about time polotics took a change for the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 well even if he has some freakshow ideas, he has been the most interesting of all the Republican candidates to me. i can't but help to think it has been good for the country to have him running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussie69 Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 Thats the thing tho! there NOT his ideas... I think it would be fantastic if this bloke was for real. But in all sincerity can we actualy believe this is HIS ideals or just a way for him to steal votes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willstrickland Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 He's pretty consistent and sincere. Definitely, NOT a bandwagon guy. Been laying out the same ideals/arguments, especially forcefully on the economic front, for many many years. Â Guy has always been popular in the goldbug, libertarian, financial markets circle for his stance on the Federal Reserve, gold std, confiscatory nature of fed interest rate policy and the resultant inflation, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 He's pretty consistent and sincere. Definitely, NOT a bandwagon guy. Been laying out the same ideals/arguments, especially forcefully on the economic front, for many many years. Guy has always been popular in the goldbug, libertarian, financial markets circle for his stance on the Federal Reserve, gold std, confiscatory nature of fed interest rate policy and the resultant inflation, etc.  Yeah, and the white supremacists seem to think he's okay too. Maybe this guy's not so bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Â STFU, prole, you commie bastard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 He's pretty consistent and sincere. Definitely, NOT a bandwagon guy. Been laying out the same ideals/arguments, especially forcefully on the economic front, for many many years. Guy has always been popular in the goldbug, libertarian, financial markets circle for his stance on the Federal Reserve, gold std, confiscatory nature of fed interest rate policy and the resultant inflation, etc.  Yeah, and the white supremacists seem to think he's okay too. Maybe this guy's not so bad.    come sit by the fire where it's warm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Â ron paul is a kook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 prole, admitting that you look at a site like that is just a step above admitting that you look at kiddy porn!  Anything less than ALL is NOTHING. If anythings priority is not 100% the survival of the White Race, than it is a problem and not a solution. Ron Paul's priority is not 100% the survival of the white race, so he is an enemy and a burden just as much as any jew.  Please!   I do stand by my statement...it has been good having Paul in the Republican debates. Have you seen any of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 I think that having radical viewpoints expressed in a mainstream forum is important. Some liberals' and progressives' uncritical acceptance of Ron Paul's brand libertarianism is unfortunate but not surprising. An anti-state message coupled with anti-war cred is bound to resonate with working class folks. I agree with much of libertarianism's view of the state; my problem with it is its fetishism of private property, its lack of a critique of capital, and its inability to grapple with the relation between private wealth and public power. As far as "kiddie porn" goes, it takes all of five seconds to establish the love-affair between Ron Paul and racist extremists. Any liberals, progressives or lefties out there curious about Paul should consider why libertarianism often tends to attract such followers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 i think Ron Paul's message is/was about change...way more than Hillary and Obama can claim...if there is one candidate that represents radical change it would be Paul. Perhaps things are so bad that some (even progs and libs) would grasp for such a straw. Â i just think it is good to have him in the republican debates. he was asking some good questions of front runners that took thought to answer rather than just some mumbojumbo campaign speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Anyone who espouses non-mainstream ideas is labeled a kook. Look where 'mainstream' ideas have taken us, however. Paul is a social conservative, and we differ 180 there, but he was prescient about the Iraq debacle and has been issuing accurate warnings about our spending/debt/economy for some time. I agree with his fundamental belief in a smaller, weaker federal government. The monarchy and the hegemony all monarchies necessarily seek has obviously been a complete botch. It's time to return to distributed political experimentation at the state level and gut the federal government, most particularly the power of the presidency. In other words, a return to a constitutional democracy as codified in that document. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 It's not only Paul's "non-mainstream ideas" that deem him less than suitable for the highest political office, but his quirkiness. The guy presents himself on camera as a stereotypical philosophical tinkerer (with attendant twitches) accustomed to quiet rooms safely hidden from life's hustle and bustle. The general populace demands a person of estimable aplomb whose temper appears steady, unshakable. Â It's time to return ...to a constitutional democracy as codified in that document. Â More like a framework that is attempted continually to be codified. Our democratic experiment marches on with that document in flux of change and interpretation with each step. Â Your statement is bound to find support superficially, as most grandiose generalized campaign pronouncements. But, lacking specificity, it's a hollow parade float without mooring. It is in the interpretation where the whole of the matter resides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Dechristo, you sound like you're channeling JayB!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 more poetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Yay Ron Paul. Let's end birthright citizenship and leave the U.N. -- that will keep all them pesky immigrants out. Â Then we'll disband the IRS and the ATF, and we'll be free to shoot machine guns and distill whiskey all day, just like them founding father's intended. Yee-haw! Â Don't need to worry about all them taxes, neither. God helps those that help themselves. And all the homeless people can go back to the sweatshops (since they'll be empty after sending home all the illegals.) Â Viva la revolucion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 "Our democratic experiment marches on with that document in flux of change and interpretation with each step." Â grammatically a bit off-kilter, which maybe adds to the overall effect, or affect. it's kinda like dwight's salesman of the year speech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 (edited) It's not only Paul's "non-mainstream ideas" that deem him less than suitable for the highest political office, but his quirkiness. The guy presents himself on camera as a stereotypical philosophical tinkerer (with attendant twitches) accustomed to quiet rooms safely hidden from life's hustle and bustle. The general populace demands a person of estimable aplomb whose temper appears steady, unshakable. Â It's time to return ...to a constitutional democracy as codified in that document. Â More like a framework that is attempted continually to be codified. Our democratic experiment marches on with that document in flux of change and interpretation with each step. Â Your statement is bound to find support superficially, as most grandiose generalized campaign pronouncements. But, lacking specificity, it's a hollow parade float without mooring. It is in the interpretation where the whole of the matter resides. Â Well, I realize it's in your fundamental nature to be a prick so I'll just address your misconceptions. Yes, we all know that our democracy is a work in progress and that interpretation of the constitution is required. No shit, Sherlock. Â Recent presidents, however, have violated the Constitution in some very fundamental ways that should not be so subject to broad interpretation. This trend is definitely weakening the principles that define our democracy and eroding the rule of law; hence my 'monarchy' comments. The President's power to wage war is too great, for example. The Constitution is pretty clear it's limitation. The President should not have authority to spy on Americans. Again, the probable cause and unreasonable search clauses are clear on this. Detentions without due process provide another example of executive power leaving the Constitution behind. Â I'm not a Ron Paul supporter, have never seen him speak, and am not aware of his personal idiosynchrosies; in any case, they're irrelevant to my original comment, which spoke to his being a labeled a kook for his ideas, not his quirky behavior. I merely pointed out that many of our cherished 'mainstream' ideas have brought us disaster. This does not imply that all of Paul's ideas are sound (if they were, I might be a supporter...as I said, I'm not). Some of them, however, have merit. Edited January 31, 2008 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clavote Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 ron paul is a kook  Maybe so.  But have you been to one of his events? Lot's of kook women dying to fuck a straight guy in the heat of the political moment.  He can attract some seriously good looking women and the price of admission is just a little donation.  I try and support a few kooks every election cycle. It gives them a warm a fuzzy feeling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 It gives them a warm a fuzzy feeling. Â Italiano? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clavote Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 I think that having radical viewpoints expressed in a mainstream forum is important. Some liberals' and progressives' uncritical acceptance of Ron Paul's brand libertarianism is unfortunate but not surprising. An anti-state message coupled with anti-war cred is bound to resonate with working class folks. I agree with much of libertarianism's view of the state; my problem with it is its fetishism of private property, its lack of a critique of capital, and its inability to grapple with the relation between private wealth and public power. As far as "kiddie porn" goes, it takes all of five seconds to establish the love-affair between Ron Paul and racist extremists. Any liberals, progressives or lefties out there curious about Paul should consider why libertarianism often tends to attract such followers. Â Â Uh...yeah! Good point Libetarianism does attract some pond scum. Â But back to my point, many of the women at a Ron Paul event are ripe for the picking....hehehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 The general populace demands a person of estimable aplomb whose temper appears steady, unshakable. Â Like me? Â I loves me some Ron Paul! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clavote Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 It gives them a warm a fuzzy feeling. Â Italiano? Â No....Sorry. But if Ron Paul discovered nice Italian suits, the women would swoon and well it would be good for us political voyeurs. The general populace demands a person of estimable aplomb whose temper appears steady, unshakable. Â Like me? Â I loves me some Ron Paul! Â Hair plugs. Looks like he's a member of the hair club for men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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