dmuja Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 "Into the Wild".. Ive known about Chris McCandless's story for years (vaguely in the back of my mind) and read the outside article a few times - not the book. I'll probably see the movie this weekend. I don't think of Chris as "heroic", but I also don't think of him as inept or suicidal. The movie likely won't change much about my opinion of him or his actions. In my early twenties (im 46), I experimented a bit with the wondering vagabond method of self discovery as did a lot of young men I new. Re-reading the story and planning to see the film has brought a little bit of that yearning (for lack of a better term) out from my past and I recognize "it" today as my desire to climb. IE, its the same thing I had then, just slightly more structured and technical. Although Im a dad, I guess I never completely grew up...yet. So, Are you familiar with the story? Read the Book? Seen or plan to see the movie? Do you see yourself in Chris/ he in you? Are you now too jaded and "experienced" to be moved by someone elses (Chris's) innocence and passion? Any deep thoughts about said topic? ...Maybe a "STFU NOOB?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I've read the book and I highly recommend it. The book is not just about McCandless. It features several other examples of "searcher" types. Krakauer saw a bit of his early self in McCandless and used his Devil's Thumb solo climb as an example. I do think that there is a certain personality type that defines this sort of person. Perhaps someday they'll be able to even identify it in a PET scan. Who knows? Basically, it's a type of fixed idea that becomes so strong that the details of the steps necessary to reach the goal become irrelevant. There is a blind faith. It's like a religious fervor but not focused on another personality or guru, but rather on an internal idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannible Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 One of my favorite books for sure. I see a lot of his way of thinking in myself, but I don't see the need to be quite as cut off from general society as he was. I like to move around a lot and not be held down by my job and such, but I have found that a little money and something to come back to can really expand your options and make life easier. I can live pretty comfortably on enough money to pay the rent plus $150 or so for a month, or just the $150 if I'm not paying rent at the time. He very rarely worked and for the most part had no money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Well Eddie Vedder did the soundtrack, so it has to be KEWL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STP Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Liked the writing and the stories within the story. but thought that Mccandless was another misguided soul. Reminds me, for some reason, of John Walker Lindh. Too much romanticism and not enough realism in one's ideology can be fatal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 There is something to be said for passion and conviction, even if it is fatal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmuja Posted October 25, 2007 Author Share Posted October 25, 2007 Basically, it's a type of fixed idea that becomes so strong that the details of the steps necessary to reach the goal become irrelevant. There is a blind faith. It's like a religious fervor but not focused on another personality or guru, but rather on an internal idea. Dat be deep (and accurate I think) CBS. Colin? Wayne? Erden? come to mind. Dannible - your like still 20ish right? Yr like right there still. Porter, the sound track is def kewl! Music makes or breaks any film if you ask me. A last quick thought, maybe I won't harsh on noob Hood F/ups so much from now on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Dat be deep (and accurate I think) CBS. Colin? Wayne? Erden? come to mind. I think not. These guys are all highly social and highly organized. They achieve because they are highly focused and because the have learned not to let slip the tiniest detail. They are quite different than McCandless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmuja Posted October 25, 2007 Author Share Posted October 25, 2007 Ok, it wasn't my last thought.. Back in my late teens early 20's, some friends of mine got air dropped into the Canadian Arctic for a long river journey. Among the highlights, they got charged by muskoxen (scary shit) and almost starved to death because there was no plane to pick them up - the chartered bush pilot had forgotten about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I'm not sure what to say about the movie. I liked the book though. Chris just didn't think things through, but I understand his motivation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toast Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I read the book a long time ago, long enough that seeing the film was fresh and new. I walked out of the theater feeling really good. I like Sean Penn’s films, and I liked this one. I sort of wanted my family to see it, so they’d have half an inkling of why I cringe at the glass bubbles they live under and why I do some of the things I do that they consider reckless. The film vs. the book gives two different treatments. Krackauer is skeptical, and he does question whether McCandless was naïve and reckless. He does recognize something in himself in himself, though, and paints a very human picture much like Caravagio did in paintings. Penn pretty much glorifies the Alexander Supertramp character as confident and self assured the whole way. Word was Leonardo was considered for the role. I’m glad he didn’t, but the effect was the same. Read the book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STP Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Krakauer contrasts the trajectory of his own life with that of Mccandless. Krakauer corrected his, mccandless didn't so much so that it seemed like the boy had a death wish. Reminds me also of Andrew Todhunter's Fall of the Phantom Lord, about Dan Osman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmuja Posted October 25, 2007 Author Share Posted October 25, 2007 Maybe "Grizzly Man" also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I read the book and thought that he was a profoundly naive, narcissistic kid who was obsessed with his own righteousness, and the manner in which he treated his family was completely inexcusable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mconley Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I definately see alot Chris w/in me. His contempt for societies false values and misguided energy also runs deep in my veins. While he was not necessarily a role model; I admire his free spirit and search for his truth. Good movie...book was better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Maybe "Grizzly Man" also. Definitely shades of the Grizzly Man, but he, unlike McCandless, was dedicated to something outside of himself, which made him a more sympathetic - if equally tragic - figure IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 he should have lived a much more fulfilling life in the suburbs spending his workdays posting on cascadeclimbers and occasionally going out in the world to climb some extreme route. Only then would I respect him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal_Con Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I read the book and thought that he was a profoundly naive, narcissistic kid who was obsessed with his own righteousness, and the manner in which he treated his family was completely inexcusable. True of most young people especially Ayn Rand acolytes,except possibly the family part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmuja Posted October 25, 2007 Author Share Posted October 25, 2007 I read the book and thought that he was a profoundly naive, narcissistic kid who was obsessed with his own righteousness, and the manner in which he treated his family was completely inexcusable. narcissistic yes, But I don't agree with him being self "righteous" though if that was meant. On some level he had a deep belief I think, but if he thought he was "right" I don't think he would have put himself through such unpredictable challenges. He didn't know something about himself - there was a big doubt in there. I think it might come down to having some of "it" is good and gets you to accomplish. Having too much is bad because it blinds you and will likely push you too far aka over the edge aka kill you. Whittaker? said once that "mountaineering requires drive, but if you have too much drive it will kill you." I guess I see that much in common with Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iluka Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I recently saw the movie and read the book many years ago and very much liked both of them. After reading the book, I didn't have a ton of sympathy for Chris McCandless. He had very romantic notions of what he wanted to do but that isn't an excuse for being woefully underprepared. He went into the Alaska backcountry without a map. Had he had one, he would have known there was a cable crossing for the river, not far from where he was. He also went into the backcountry expecting to hunt for his food having never hunted before and all he brought out with him was rice. There were other similar examples. Romanticism is great... but it is not an excuse for being unprepared. Krakauer saw a lot of himself in McCandless but when you read the stories of his Devil's Thumb experience and other climbs, he struck me as much more prepared for what he would face. The movie didn't change my opinion in this regard. What it did do, however, was give me some more sympathy for the fear he must have experienced at the end as he was dying. Interestingly, a friend of mine ran cross-country with him in high school. His response to the book was that as far back as high school, he was always coming up with crazy ideas of what he would do with his life. When he finally decided to act on it, he added, he was woefully unprepared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeard Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 (edited) I just want to know how he killed a moose with a .22 /enjoyed the film and the book. Edited October 25, 2007 by RedBeard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I read the book, haven't seen the movie. But I agree with iluka on the overall take of the story. I think it is probably more appealing the younger one is. I remember thinking that everyone who lived in the suburbs and worked in a cubicle had "false" values and were so blind. Ah, the arrogance of youth. It is hard to picture that having a home, a job, and a dog are really satisfying aspects of life when what you have instead is youth, ignorance, and energy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 each of us is a unique flower, with goals, aspirations, beliefs, retardations, and drives all to our own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 to our own what? Oh, I fall under the retardations catagory, huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 "Why you call police? Did the retard escape?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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