Spencer Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 I just returned from a climb with a group of strangers, however after talking with them for two days it wasn't long before we all realized we were all "liberals", I usually have a no religion politics rule with people I don't know but sometimes it just happens. So my question is do conservatives climb? it's well known that several of the Kennedy's have made Rainier summit Al Gore and his son did it in "99" and Maria Cantwell has been seen up at Muir recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam13 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 I dont think conservatives climb very much, I doubt they enjoy the constant reality checks that climbing brings, I think if Everest was in the US and conservatives had their way there would be a chair lift to the North Col. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashw_justin Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 I don't understand why you are comfortable using such vague symbolic words to describe the political beliefs of yourself and others. Willingness to believe that politics in this country must boil down to "liberal vs. conservative" is the absence of rational thought. Every time someone uses a vague symbolic word as a proxy for real, concrete political beliefs, their politics becomes for all intents and purposes a religion... and thus this country's most threatening holy war is entirely within its own borders. Â Those in power would prefer that you thoughtlessly rally behind these meaningless symbols... don't fall for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeleRoss Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 You have a no religion no politics rule with people you don't know...yet you started this thread? WTF? And more so, who fucking cares if "conservatives"...whatever you mean by that....climb anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serenity Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Many, many, many conservatives climb. There have been at least 2 conservatives who climbed on K2 in recent years that were killed in Iraq working as security contractors. A few years ago a former Army Ranger working as a climbing ranger on Rainier had cause to remind a few of the BC rangers there that they were not indeed real rangers. It's doubtful you will cross paths with many of these people, they tend to stick to close circles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 "conservatives"...whatever you mean by that.... Â I think he meant to say........Republicans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slesse Climber Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 This is just a troll to trick the "conservatives" into identifying themselves so the admins can baninate them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted August 26, 2007 Author Share Posted August 26, 2007 I should have put both labels in quotation marks, we all know who is who, it doesn't bother me to talk or do activities with anyone regardless of "who they voted for" but it was very interesting that all eight people were became very talkative when politics came up . and it all started because one Woman had a No W sticker on her climbing helmet. I tend to be with larger groups climbing it was just a observation. And its well known in the south that Car Racing is for conservatives, I dont make it that way, its just that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selkirk Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Welcome to the left coast. Plenty of conservatives climb, but I would imagine that the ratio of conservatives/liberals in climbing is about the same as in the general populace in any given location. In Western Washington, it leans heavily liberal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spotly Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 If I'm with people who blather enough that I can identify their political slant then that's too much politics and not enough climbing. Â When I'm climbing, I'm interested in what my climbing partner thinks about the quality of the rock, which line looks best, their favorite climb....not their politics nor their religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serenity Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 Not all climbing is so narrowly focused. When you have to lay around in a tent for a few weeks the conversation can get pretty spicy. Politics come up, religion comes up, food comes up, sex comes up, comforts of home, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 Over the years I've climbed with people of just about every political or a-political stripe. I haven't noticed a common political bent, but it does seem that the climbers I've met are somewhat bent. In any case, their politics, or lack thereof, had little to do with how much I enjoyed their company or how good a climbing partner they were/are. I've got pretty, uh, strong political views...if only I could get over my shyness issues about sharing them, but with new climbing partners it's probably best to hang back and let the magic happen however it happens. If that involves political discussion, fine. If not, fine too. Hopefully it involves a little climbing. A little bit of humor comes in handy, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 Its obvious that conservatives can't be good climbers. Â They have to have loaded guns in their house in order to feel safe - even when they live in some fancy suburb. How do you think they're going to do on the "sharp end?" Â They hate paying taxes. You gotta pay permit fees to go climbing. Â They are against education. Do you think they are going to learn their knots? Â They love war and believe remote control combat can be done with "smart bombs" so nobody but the bad guys get hurt. How are they going to master the zen of real rock climbing? Or hand to hand with the willow thicket guarding the Pickets? Â They hate the environment. You think they want to go out and hug trees? Â Clearly, climbing is for liberals only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam13 Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 nice I loved reading that post. I'm also tired of hearing conservatives rag on Democratic Candidates because they think they're gonna take all their guns, no one is stupid enough to believe you could take americans' guns away there are way too many pissed off rednecks with too much ammo for that to ever be possible anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 nice I loved reading that post. I'm also tired of hearing conservatives rag on Democratic Candidates because they think they're gonna take all their guns, no one is stupid enough to believe you could take americans' guns away there are way too many pissed off rednecks with too much ammo for that to ever be possible anyway. Â wow, the idiot convention on cc.com is in fine form tonight. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 wow, the idiot convention on cc.com is in fine form tonight. Â careful you, or I'll steal your gun, abort your fetus, give you a union card, ship you off to gaycamp, and make you drive a Prius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 dunno - w/ 14 posts ya can't really claim he speaks for the masses yet, eh? Â my only consistent problems w/ extreme conservatives seems to their continual lack of humor - i can get along w/ the craziest fuckers imaginable so long as they like a good-natured laugh every coupla minutes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam13 Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 How the hell does it sound like im trying to speak to the masses I said I was tired of hearing that Im not trying to start a damn following and how does how many times ive felt like saying my opinion matter about anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam13 Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 how the hell does what i said make me an idiot, just Recently Ted Nugent went on stage with two machine guns and went off on Hilary and Barrack playing to a crowd of conservatives tryin to make it sound like and Dems are gonna steal their guns.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 HzujIT-FsBY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pope Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 "A few hours of mountain climbing turn a villain and a saint into two rather equal creatures." -- Friedrich Nietzsche  "Republicans is fine, If you're a multi-millionaire Democrats is fair, If all you own is what you wear Neither of 'em's REALLY right, 'Cause neithor of 'em CARE" -- Frank Zappa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 "A few hours of mountain climbing turn a villain and a saint into two rather equal creatures." -- Friedrich Nietzsche  Thats a great one. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam13 Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 never heard that.I agree nice one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 I'd say the observation that most climbers align more closely with the Left than the right is reasonably accurate whatever the local politics happen to be, and the reasons for that might make for an interesting thread. Â As interested as I am in political topics, and as willing as I am to share my views in certain settings, I have little or no interest in engaging in political conversations when I'm out climbing, boating, skiing - any more than I have an interest in debating my in-law's religious viewpoints at the Thanksgiving table. There's a time and a place, and for me - when I'm out to enjoy myself in the outdoors with other people who share my enthusiasm for climbing, hiking, fishing, boating, etc - just isn't it. If it was, I think I'd have missed out on some great trips and times with people who I really like, but with whom I'll never agree with when it comes to religion and or politics. This has involved everyone from un-reformed Marxists to Creationists and everyone in between. Â It has been kind of interesting for me to be a sort of ideological fly-on the wall on various outings, and listen to the political banter that's passing back and forth amongst folks who are operating under the assumption that everyone in the group is part of the same political Tribe. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go2boy Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 Hmm... Â http://www.srcfc.org/ Â Not my cup of tea, but clearly there are some religious climbers out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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