rayborbon Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 I picked up a couple of KBs saturday. I got the Camp ones. A couple of dollars cheaper than BD too. Also heard they are both made by the same company and are the same pitons. Another reason BD sux butt sometimes. [ 03-19-2002: Message edited by: rayborbon ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbw1966 Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 quote: Originally posted by rayborbon: I picked up a couple of KBs saturday. I got the Camp ones. A couple of dollars cheaper than BD too. Also heard they are both made by the same company and are the same pitons. Another reason BD sux butt sometimes.[ 03-19-2002: Message edited by: rayborbon ] I suppose Petzl sucks as well since they sell the keylock biner at a significant mark-up from what Kong (the patent holder) sells them. It pays to shop around. Good score Ray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 BD were the 1st ones to come up with the wiregate, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 quote: Originally posted by rbw1966: I suppose Petzl sucks as well since they sell the keylock biner at a significant mark-up from what Kong (the patent holder) sells them. . patent expired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 Weren't wiregates first used in sailing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodchester Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 I heard BD is now coming out with a "key lock" style biner...anyone seen/used these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Rodchester: I heard BD is now coming out with a "key lock" style biner...anyone seen/used these? http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=9&t=000319 i got some, and i think they are pretty nice.....ask more questions and ill answer them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbw1966 Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 quote: Originally posted by erik: patent expired It had not expired by the time Petzl manufactured them. And Lets be clear: Petzl licensed the design from Kong. Probably why they cost more from Petzl then Kong. I imagine the expired patent has something to do with BDEL's entry into the keylock foray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 quote: Originally posted by rbw1966: It had not expired by the time Petzl manufactured them. And Lets be clear: Petzl licensed the design from Kong. Probably why they cost more from Petzl then Kong. I imagine the expired patent has something to do with BDEL's entry into the keylock foray. yup you are right there....bd had these things designed like years ago and like the day after it expired that shit was on the market..... and i reccomend them too, if you pay retail they are like $1.50 cheaper then the spirits andhave all the same wieghts and strengh...... and i think a larger gate opening..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayborbon Posted March 19, 2002 Author Share Posted March 19, 2002 Hahha I off loaded almost all of my camalots last fall too. Rack is lighter now! Erik I dont know why you thik their stuff is so great. Perhaps their marketing folks brainwashed you from reading too many mags? They sell you all those neutrinos because you bought their heavy ass camalots Heavier double axle means carry less cams + means run it out more. I still dont know why they stopped making the fins and slung heaxes. Dont even get me started on their other gear. To me it seems as if they are doing what othe companies have been doing for years. Finally they marketed their lightweight alpine axe after so long... Waiting for their aluminum crampons.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 thats okay ray......i like to be slow and extra pumped due to my heavy rack.....makes all the beer more worth while!!!! you are right though the mags have brain washed me senseless.....i now am no longer interested having fun until i have boughten one of everything they advertise....... [ 03-19-2002: Message edited by: erik ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayborbon Posted March 19, 2002 Author Share Posted March 19, 2002 I carry the lighter rack so I can gain on my beer gut in the winter season!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 At Red Rocks once, I saw someone had placed a beer can in a crack, and tied it off with a sling. it was empty so I did not think it worthwhile booty. I guess it is really a type of tube chock and not a piton, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceIceBaby Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 [ 03-19-2002: Message edited by: IceIceBaby ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceIceBaby Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Dru: BD were the 1st ones to come up with the wiregate, though. Right, and Al Gore invented the internet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
climberted Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 I still dont know why they stopped making the fins and slung heaxes. Fins were the shit man, wana sell some? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdietsch Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 quote: Originally posted by erik: yup you are right there....bd had these things designed like years ago and like the day after it expired that shit was on the market..... and i reccomend them too, if you pay retail they are like $1.50 cheaper then the spirits andhave all the same wieghts and strengh...... and i think a larger gate opening..... talking about expired patents.... I was working on a tooling project for Metolius several years back (98, 99" ?)when they were getting ready to release the "Curved Hex". Everthing was ready to roll... just waiting for the original Chouinard patent to run out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceIceBaby Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 Dru FYI, Kong was the first to introduce the wiregate to the climbing community if I’m not mistaking back in the 60’s And in the late 90’s BD resurrected them with massive marketing campaign talking sense to people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted March 20, 2002 Share Posted March 20, 2002 quote: Originally posted by IceIceBaby: Right, and Al Gore invented the internet ok, for climbing applications then cause they had used them for frou-frou yauchtie stuff for years. hard astern trim mains'ls to leeboard and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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