max Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070416/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting AP radio just said the number was 22. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 "The president believes that there is a right for people to bear arms, but that all laws must be followed," spokeswoman Dana Perino said. Unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 again - here's the solution while keeping the 2nd amendment folks happy - all firearms using post 18th century technology are to be banned - don't think this shooting woulda been so bad if homeslice had a musket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wfinley Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 That sucks; I lived in the dorms for two years at Va. Tech... I can't imagine what some of those kids are dealing with right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 same here...that's my alma mater... my sis lived in that very dorm...plus, i had classes in Norris... wow...such a pretty place for something like that to happen...wowowow this sucks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 That sucks....its hard to remember this but the gun did not kill anyone.....the person pulling the triger did all the killing. The gun is not the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 yeah...but easy access to the gun is a problem... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dt_3pin Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 (edited) That sucks....its hard to remember this but the gun did not kill anyone.....the person pulling the triger did all the killing. The gun is not the problem. That's absurd. The person did the killing with a gun . You can fairly argue that an individual's (and society's) libery interest in unfettered gun ownership outweigh the burden of the occassional massacre, but don't deny that guns were an integral piece of this event. Edited April 16, 2007 by dt_3pin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 That sucks....its hard to remember this but the gun did not kill anyone.....the person pulling the triger did all the killing. The gun is not the problem. That's absurd. The person did the killing with a gun . You can fairly argue that an individual's (and society's) libery interest in unfettered gun ownership outweigh the burden of the occassional massacre, but don't deny that guns were an integral piece of this event. word - a guy walking around w/ his finger pointed out yelling "bang" wouldn't kill anybody except maybe folks w/ real bad hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 (edited) To the 'unfettered ownership' crowd: As long as admit that you are trading off a much increased death and injury rate from guns (accidents, suicides, and assaults) and you're willing to accept that price (that others, and perhaps someday you or someone around you pay) to have your guns anytime you want them, fine. If, however, you argue that there wouldn't be as many violent deaths or serious injuries if guns were more difficult to come by, you're self-delusional and, at least in my eyes, probably not the brightest bulb on the marquee. Even if the level of violence remained the same, guns are so much more lethal than any other weapon that the death/serious injury rate from guns would plummet if their numbers were decreased. Guns are also an 'impulsive' weapon. Bludgeoning and cutting weapons not so much so. It's much, much easier to shoot someone from a distance than to lethally attack them any other way. Again, the decreased availability of this option would result in decreased severity and lethality of person to person violence. The statistics back this up, but who in their right mind would seriously argue against the obvious? It's really, really hard to kill 22 people with a machete and a baseball bat. Edited April 16, 2007 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motomagik Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 That sucks....its hard to remember this but the gun did not kill anyone.....the person pulling the triger did all the killing. The gun is not the problem. Ignorance is bliss. This is the stupidest cop-out argument ever. Right to bear arms comes from a time when a teenager couldn't walk into K-mart and buy an automatic rifle to shoot their classmates with. It's time for people to open their eyes and realize we live in a slightly different society. If we expect these incedents to stop then we need to make some changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 That sucks....its hard to remember this but the gun did not kill anyone.....the person pulling the triger did all the killing. The gun is not the problem. Ignorance is bliss. This is the stupidest cop-out argument ever. Right to bear arms comes from a time when a teenager couldn't walk into K-mart and buy an automatic rifle to shoot their classmates with. It's time for people to open their eyes and realize we live in a slightly different society. If we expect these incedents to stop then we need to make some changes. Last time I check a teen couldn't buy a gun at K-mart. Hell they have the BB guns and paintball guns locked up for that very reason. Stupid argument. They can take my gun from my dead hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knottygirl Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 We had to take a .22 from a kid (16yo)at the youth center I work at. He admitted he had it all week at school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenfork Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 If, however, you argue that there wouldn't be as many violent deaths or serious injuries if guns were more difficult to come by, you're self-delusional and, at least in my eyes, probably not the brightest bulb on the marquee. Again, the decreased availability of this option would result in decreased severity and lethality of person to person violence. So it sounds like you're saying you're not the brightest bulb on the marquee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motomagik Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Last time I check a teen couldn't buy a gun at K-mart. Hell they have the BB guns and paintball guns locked up for that very reason. Stupid argument. They can take my gun from my dead hands. Oops, right, my bad. They changed their ways after the Columbine incident. Gosh thanks for setting me straight. Like I said, ignorance is bliss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 That sucks....its hard to remember this but the gun did not kill anyone.....the person pulling the triger did all the killing. The gun is not the problem. Ignorance is bliss. This is the stupidest cop-out argument ever. Right to bear arms comes from a time when a teenager couldn't walk into K-mart and buy an automatic rifle to shoot their classmates with. It's time for people to open their eyes and realize we live in a slightly different society. If we expect these incedents to stop then we need to make some changes. Make some changes? Great what do you suggest? Should we make guns illegal? That sure worked with booze and currently drugs. Making something illegal does not ensure that they would not be able to get their hands on a gun ( or drugs ). The killing came from the persons mind. The gun was just the weapon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Last time I check a teen couldn't buy a gun at K-mart. Hell they have the BB guns and paintball guns locked up for that very reason. Stupid argument. They can take my gun from my dead hands. Oops, right, my bad. They changed their ways after the Columbine incident. Gosh thanks for setting me straight. Like I said, ignorance is bliss. Right to bare arms came from a time when Governments tried to control everything with power. Read your history. You Bush bashers should want your guns becuase he taking over the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryland_moore Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 I may agree with some of your points but not all of them. I am a gunowner (shotguns for hunting ducks and geese, upland birds) but even if handguns were bannedb or all guns were really hard to get a hold of, it is just as easy to make a pipe bomb and cause serious damage. You don't have to use cutting or blugeoning instruments for this. If people are angry enough, they will find a way. This incident was pldanned this is not some random spontaneous thing......I am from Roanoke and this hits really close to home.....I pray for the friends ands families. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 (edited) They can take my gun from my dead hands. Hope springs eternal. Edited April 16, 2007 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 They can take my gun from my dead hands. Hope springs eternal. Hopefully it will be you trying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motomagik Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Make some changes? Great what do you suggest? Should we make guns illegal? That sure worked with booze and currently drugs. Making something illegal does not ensure that they would not be able to get their hands on a gun ( or drugs ). The killing came from the persons mind. The gun was just the weapon. For someone who doesn't like it when people speak for him (see Infinite Bliss thread) you certainly took it upon yourself to put words in my mouth. I didn't say to make guns illegal. *Personally* I think this would be excellent but I'm not naive enough to expect it to happen. I just think that something needs to change in terms of gun control laws and availability. There has to be a better way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 I may agree with some of your points but not all of them. I am a gunowner (shotguns for hunting ducks and geese, upland birds) but even if handguns were bannedb or all guns were really hard to get a hold of, it is just as easy to make a pipe bomb and cause serious damage. You don't have to use cutting or blugeoning instruments for this. If people are angry enough, they will find a way. This incident was pldanned this is not some random spontaneous thing......I am from Roanoke and this hits really close to home.....I pray for the friends ands families. No, making a bomb is neither easier (than plunking down your credit card at the gun store or your cash an a gun swap), nor is it spontaneous. The psychology behind a bombing is also very different. Finally, making bombs is also notoriously dangerous to the inventor. It should come as no surprise, then, that bombings are much rarer than shootings. Apples and burgers, amigo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTM Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 There was a Chris Rock stand-up (at least I think it was him) bit that had me laughing, but it wasn't a terrible idea at the same time. He suggested that instead banning guns, we should just make bullets REALLY expensive, like 50grand. "I would shoot you for saying that, but I already have 2 bullets on lay-away for a guy that talked shit to me last week. You best watch your back if I win the lottery though..." To combat black-market bullet sales, we can just make the penalty death by a firing squad, a bit of humour/irony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 They can take my gun from my dead hands. Hope springs eternal. Hopefully it will be you trying. Now there's an interesting implied threat for the moderators to take note of.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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