Cpt.Caveman Posted July 30, 2001 Share Posted July 30, 2001 VT, Why are you telling me? I dont want the BD tools I already have a set that I am gonna replace......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishstick Posted July 30, 2001 Share Posted July 30, 2001 I'm in a bit of a shit disturbing mood here so I've got to ask a question: Have any of you Fly fans actually swung one on HARD (texture wise) alpine ice? Bet not. GB Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted July 30, 2001 Share Posted July 30, 2001 Fishdick, I am not saying that I think your comments are unworthy. I simply stated that I like this tool for this price. I never swung them in AI but I bet they will work fine. I await your argument because I can tell you are already defensive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted July 30, 2001 Share Posted July 30, 2001 I think the Gourdfish is simply trying to imply that Fly's are super light and may bounce around on that iron hard alpine ice, not to stir up a fight... In which case a pair of those old 200lb. Stubai farmer tools is probably your best bet.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishstick Posted July 30, 2001 Share Posted July 30, 2001 On softer or more aerated ice the Fly works surprisingly well. It actually reminds me of a quasar sans weight kit. On really hard ice I found it took quite a few swings to get a placement that still felt less secure than many other tools. Less eloquent users suggested it sucked. It makes sense in my mind to get something that works in all conditions. Granted alpine ice is generally low angled, but when you're 30 or 40 metes out from your last screw, fighting for your life to get a good stick, saving a few dollars might not seem to have been the best or safest idea. I'm also not convinced that the head will take the abuse that other tools will. Mixed climbing in a mountain environment is probably much harder on a tool than M style dry tooling. At 170 odd dollars the Fly is a great price, one of about 3 at that price level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollyclimber Posted July 31, 2001 Share Posted July 31, 2001 what I want to know is that why is it that only the Euro's get to buy the FLY in green? I think green is way cooler than black, what do you think Cavey? Don't you think the green FLY would climb a lot better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpeacock Posted August 8, 2001 Share Posted August 8, 2001 hey all - black diamond is still selling the prophets from their website: http://www.bdel.com and the straight shafts are discounted to $140ea! (bent shafts are still $230ea) a great deal for some alpine ice tools, especially as I've been told the BD BP's were discontinued and not being sold anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ade Posted August 9, 2001 Share Posted August 9, 2001 I just replaced my old Mountain Technology Vertege tools with a set of BD Shrikes with the Alaska picks. I'm reasonably impressed with them so far. True the adze kind of sucks and the point on the top of the picks makes carrying them in the cane position uncomfortable (time to get a grinder to them to solve that one). The reason I went for these over the Axars is because they have an alpine pick and I really like the BD Alaska picks. The other thing worth noting about the Flies is that the pick/adze/hammer is a one piece unit making a spare pick somewhat bulky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haireball Posted August 10, 2001 Share Posted August 10, 2001 You used Liberty Ridge and the Triple Couloir as routes representative of your objective... for routes of this caliber, I use an antique 60cm ice-axe, and an even more ancient Chouinard alpine hammer. I don't bother with specialized hooking tools unless I expect to see hard ice consistently steeper than 60-degrees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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