sketchfest Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 The bill was approved by the house and is now racing off to the senate! linky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EWolfe Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 The negative impact of sensationalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 that is so sux0r. typical political knee-jerk reactionism. :tdown: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZimZam Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 They should have to wear flea collars. What a bunch of straps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordansahls Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Wow, that is really gay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 any clue what the enforcement method will be? fines/penalities? think i've seen a ranger on hood about once per 100 climbs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimbingPanther Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 if climbing Hood w/o an MLU is outlawed, only outlaws will climb Hood w/o an MLU I'm so hot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EWolfe Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Implants for the regulars is the obvious solution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 I'll be interested to hear how they plan to enforce this new law. Are you going to have to walk through a toll booth before you climb the mountain. Maybe they won't trigger a rescue till they hear a beep on the recorder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllYouCanEat Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 (edited) Bummer. I hope that this mentality of more regulation doesn't spread. Although, most non-climbing people I've met already feel that we climbers take undue risk. So maybe it is too late? The wilderness our forefathers saved will be passed on to 300lb overweight-bubble boys and girls. I can see it now Edited March 29, 2007 by AllYouCanEat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Hey, has the offcially sanctioned first speed ascent with an MLU occurred? I've gotta go now! Or should I wait until the law is on the books? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faster_than_you Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 I'm hoping that the Nodder climbs Mt Hood so that it can be tracked with an MLU. Thank you OR legislature! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryland_moore Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Wow. Good luck on enforcement and good luck catching those that wish to not abide by this "law". I would like to see the actual language presented. Does it just cover Hood or all areas over 10k'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad_A Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Fuck them. Find me on Hood to see if I have an MLU on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
111 Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Fuck them. Find me on Hood to see if I have an MLU on. I Second that. Guerilla mountaineering! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryland_moore Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Seriously. The majority of us head up there on skis. You think they would actually catch us? Not a chance! Plus, they have no enforcement control. They can issue you tickets. They can't arrest you! And if you don't have your id or anything on you, then how can they write you a ticket? Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Fuck them. Find me on Hood to see if I have an MLU on. You want the terrorists to win, don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
layton Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 I know a way to get the bill tossed. Every time one of us goes up hood, get an MLU....and use it. "I'm sorry for the trouble. I got a bit hungry and I don't like my cliff bars I brought...can I get a heli out?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtnHigh Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 I wonder if my electronic monitoring bracelet from the county will suffice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_chalk Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 I know a way to get the bill tossed. Every time one of us goes up hood, get an MLU....and use it. "I'm sorry for the trouble. I got a bit hungry and I don't like my cliff bars I brought...can I get a heli out?" "I broke a nail!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 The bill was approved by the house and is now racing off to the senate! linky FUCK YOU NANNY GOVERNMENT!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cluck Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 I haven't read the official voted-on version, but here's what was in one of the most recent versions: Climbers must carry BOTH a locating device (MLU, PLB, or GPS) AND a 2-way communication device (cell phone, radio) The law only applies on Mount Hood and only above 10,000 feet The law only applies between November and March The law doesn't take affect until 2010 (to give time for technology to develop and drop in price) There is no penalty for being caught w/o the required equipment It's impossible to enforce this law and the legislators know it. They just want to pass something, anything, to make it look like they're doing something to cut down on "climbing disasters." On the positive side, it seems like the committee made a genuine effort to limit the impact this bill has on climbers. On the negative side, they seem hell bent on wasting my tax dollars to pass a meaningless, unenforcable law against the advice of all the stakeholders & experts simply to appease the percieved wishes of an ignorant and misinformed public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug_Hutchinson Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Here is the text of the letter Rocky Henderson of PMR (and representing all other mountain rescue groups) emailed to all state reps yesterday. I think the letter says it all. Nice work Rocky!---- March 23, 2007 All of the mountain rescue organizations in the State of Oregon oppose HB2509. These organizations include: • Portland Mountain Rescue • Eugene Mountain Rescue • Corvallis Mountain Rescue • Deschutes County SAR • Hood River Crag Rats Additionally, the Mountain Rescue Association, which represents over 90 mountain rescue teams through out North America, opposes HB 2509. The Mt Hood Search and Rescue Council, which represents all the agencies and resource groups on Mt Hood, opposes HB 2509. Oregon Mountain Rescue Council, the organization recognized by the Oregon State Sheriffs Association as the accreditation body for mountain rescue teams in Oregon, opposes HB2509. The Mazamas, a non-profit mountaineering education organization representing over 3000 climbers, opposes HB2509. We believe a law requiring climbers to carry electronic devices will have unintended consequences that will increase the risk to both climbers and rescuers. Additionally, when the state mandates specific equipment it gives the climber a false sense of security. The climber will be more likely to take greater risks because they believe that since the state has required a “beacon” they are entitled to a rescue. For example, in February, the eight climbers lost on Mt. Hood had beacons, GPS and a compass. When rescuers got to them they walked out on their own. The media portrayed this as great example of the value of the MLU. Our analysis leads us to conclude that they were relying on the rescuers to save them when the incident could have been completely avoided had the climbers known how to properly use their compass and GPS. Self reliance in the mountains is essential for survival, HB2509 will not cause climbers to be more self-reliant. In fact we believe that this law will lead to more reliance on the rescuers. House Bill 2509 was conceived by a representative as an emotional response to the families of the lost climbers on Mt. Hood. While these people have good intentions, they do not understand issues involving climbers and rescuers on Mt. Hood. The mountain rescue community is in the best position to understand these issues and help craft effective solutions. We are already actively working on solutions in conjunction with the Governor’s Search and Rescue Task Force and we welcome all opportunities to keep Oregon a wonderful and safe place to enjoy our mountains. A vote in favor of this bill will be against the advice of the entire mountain rescue community in this state and in the nation We ask you to vote NO on House bill 2509 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmuja Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Well, a lot of good that did... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underworld Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 so if someone uses an MLU per the law... and they still get skrude. you know, an MLU won't make the white-out go away. who's responsible? Is the MLU maker liable? WTF??? this is all bogus! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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