RuMR Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 so kevin...what would you do if you were manimal and came around the corner and someone was taking your stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Run over them in a stolen car most likely. Â Â Don't take other people's stuff. Easy enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 so kevin...what would you do if you were manimal and came around the corner and someone was taking your stuff?  What kind of question is that? More speculation..... Personally I think its lame for someone to do that, but on the other hand it’s also lame to leave your shit behind out of laziness. Breaking into someone’s locked car is premeditated. Taking quickdraws off a climb is also most likely premeditated but with a different set of rules. Either way its lame……did you hear me Rudy…ITS LAME. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithisheaven Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 The whole point of this thread was not spray but to retrive stolen gear. Â Its not stolen if you leave it behind. Â Just the kind of shit im talkin bout. people leave draws on routes, its commonplace, but im sure bonehead will steal them all. if its not yours its stealin. Yes we leave draws in puplic places but its proper climbing etiquette to leave that stuff alone. If your takin it your not a climber your a thief. If I see draws bein takin I am confrontin the theif and well see what happens then. Wow, cannot beleive that so called climbers have such a differing tude about this. Maybe I should pen a climbing etiquette book. Probably do you all more good than another guide book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 HAHAHA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 so kevin...what would you do if you were manimal and came around the corner and someone was taking your stuff? Â What kind of question is that? More speculation..... Personally I think its lame for someone to do that, but on the other hand its also lame to leave your shit behind out of laziness. Breaking into someones locked car is premeditated. Taking quickdraws off a climb is also most likely premeditated but with a different set of rules. Either way its lamedid you hear me RudyITS LAME. Â No Kevin...its the same as parking in a PUBLIC car lot with yuor car and expecting it to not be fucked with until you can get back to it and leave (take it with you...trying to spell it out real clear like...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 This thread should be in the Pirate's Forum, cause it's about booty... booty.... BOOTY, that's what it is! Â ARRR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 So I help developed a crag in WA and this guy hung draws on this climb that he was apparently working. These draws stayed up there for over 1 year. Eventually we climb up there and pulled them and left them at the base of the wall. There they stayed for about 6 months (it’s a secret crag that only maybe 20 people know about. So I was not worried about a third party taking them). Eventually we took them home. Is that stealing or helping the crag by cleaning it up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Leaving fixed draws for week is one thing, but leaving them for a year is another. You did the right thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 So I help developed a crag in WA and this guy hung draws on this climb that he was apparently working. These draws stayed up there for over 1 year. Eventually we climb up there and pulled them and left them at the base of the wall. There they stayed for about 6 months (its a secret crag that only maybe 20 people know about. So I was not worried about a third party taking them). Eventually we took them home. Is that stealing or helping the crag by cleaning it up? Â talk about apples and oranges... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Phil Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 So I help developed a crag in WA and this guy hung draws on this climb that he was apparently working. These draws stayed up there for over 1 year. Eventually we climb up there and pulled them and left them at the base of the wall. There they stayed for about 6 months (its a secret crag that only maybe 20 people know about. So I was not worried about a third party taking them). Eventually we took them home. Is that stealing or helping the crag by cleaning it up? Â talk about apples and oranges... Rudy, wrong metaphor. Quantitative difference not qualitative. More like tangerines and grapefruit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 So I help developed a crag in WA and this guy hung draws on this climb that he was apparently working. These draws stayed up there for over 1 year. Eventually we climb up there and pulled them and left them at the base of the wall. There they stayed for about 6 months (its a secret crag that only maybe 20 people know about. So I was not worried about a third party taking them). Eventually we took them home. Is that stealing or helping the crag by cleaning it up?  talk about apples and oranges...  Rudy....just so we get this really clear. I would never take someone else’s gear, especially in a popular area like vantage. I think its lame there are those out there who would. BUT I have NO sympathy for this person who by his own choice LEFT HIS CLIMBING GEAR AT THE CRAG. It’s a shame that there are ass holes out there that would take his gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 just the point that you wouldn't take the gear means that you innately recognize that its stealing...call it what you will, but i'd give the guy a ration of shit if i caught him doing it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 just the point that you wouldn't take the gear means that you innately recognize that its stealing...call it what you will, but i'd give the guy a ration of shit if i caught him doing it... Â When you say "ration", do you mean not an entire plate of shit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 2 helping minimum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 So I help developed a crag in WA........(it’s a secret crag that only maybe 20 people know about.  Dude, 20 people? Give up the goods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoore Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Someone stole my draws off king of the ruins in vantage sometime in the past week. They were obviously project draws, not gear left behind when someone bailed. If the person responsible would put them back up, or at least set them at the base, that would be appreciated. Either that or any information on who took 'em. I'm just pissed that someone would jack my stuff, totally a bogus move. They were up for less than ten days, tops.  Sorry to hear about that. Hope you will get your stuff back. It’s probably not likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 if i park my car in a wilderness area for a week while i go do a climb is it considered booty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 A parking lot is not a wilderness area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 he got his draws stolen from a parking lot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 A parking lot is not a wilderness area. Â Hey Dru. Will go back to school to learn how to read. Pink said park his can in a wilderness area, NOT A PARKING LOT. Tool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggplant Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Lots of consulation going on here, but consider this:Â How about some "leave little trace" ethic? How about picking up your mess before you leave? It's like leaving your tent in your favorite free camp spot all week so it will be there for you next weekend. It's ugly and selfish. I'd be tempted to take the quick draws down and post a message where they could be retrieved or just throw them in the garbage as abandoned litter. You probably rappeled down to place them in the first place; how about rappeling down to remove them after your big day at Vantage? The guys who took them were obviously capable of doing it! You're working hard to climb the route; work a little harder to keep the place a little nicer. "Ya, dude, but...it's my "project"!"...you can think that, but it's not your rock. Â By the way, I didn't take your quick-draws...I have an allergy to most sport-climbing venues. I hope you get them back but I also hope you don't leave them hanging anymore. Â Â ] Â Â first of all, you have no right to take anybodys draws, and leave a note where they can come get them?? are they yours? no. so dont touch them, Â secondly its not selfish look at all hard routes. Â third if you have a problem with fixing draws, you better get you ass to smith because you have a lot of work to do takeing them down, that would be alot of rapelling, since im guessing you cant climb that hard. Â finaly, dont touch my draws at little si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 I can't believe what I'm reading. You just don't steal draws on someone's project. No matter what kind of climber you are. It is just not done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 i'm sure if you say a prayer to saint benedict(the patron saint of lost items) you will get your quick draws back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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