jared_j Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 I'm new to the region, and plan on doing some technical rock routes in the summer such as Mt. Stuart's north ridge, Dragontail Peak, and maybe Mt. Slesse if I get ambitious. I have a down jacket (Feathered Friends Helios hooded) that I will be using for a mountaineering course I'm taking, but think I would prefer a synthetic insulating layer to take on short (1 night or 2) alpine trips. Recommendations? Because I intend to use this for climbing, compressibility and weight are concerns (so I'm ruling out fleece). I was looking at the Montbell Thermawrap UL or Thermawrap parka (lightweight, synthetic), or perhaps a Patagonia Micro Puff pullover. Any insight/recommendations is appreciated, particularly in regards to how warm of a layer is necessary for alpine climbing in the Cascades in the summer. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 I have the thermawrap UL (hoodless/synthetic), and love it!!! Plenty warm for the cascades summer, light, compressible. It goes on every trip with me. it's one of the best tech clothing purchases I've made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 stick with the jacket you own! your down will be lighter and more compressible, which are your two concerns. If it rainy, you wont be climbing technical rock anyways. Down is the best choice for cascades summer trips. On trips like that in the summer in the cascades, I take a t-shirt, a long sleeve poly-pro type shirt, and then a light down jacket. Early morning belays, windy ridges, just throw that thing on and you'll be warm enough. If it looks like maybe rain, I'll throw in a light rain jacket to the pack as well. If it is steadily raining, you are probably going to be hiking (back to the car). If it's warm enough to rain and you are moving, you wont want to be wearing an insulated jacket. Basically, insualted jackets are worn in the summer when you are not moving. This would be during belays, or lounging around camp outside the tent. You likely wouldn't be doing either of these things during a prolonged rain. Don't waste your money on more gear when what you have is what you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscalarK2 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 I agree with Blake, I have a lightweight down jacket that I use in the cascades, even when it is raining. Lighter and warmer then synthetic. If its raining THAT hard, I am usually walking back to the car also. Better to spend the money on a lighter sleeping bag/tent/stove system I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian_m Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 I have used the MontBell Thermawrap with the hood for a while now. It is very warm for its weight and more compressible than anything else on the market (synthetic). In my opinion... it is the best insulation layer for the cascades for 4-season use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pro Mountain Sports Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Good reasoning can be made both ways for down or synthetic. For down, one worth considering is the Mont Bell U.L. Down Inner Jacket. Similar to their U.L. Thermawrap but 2 ounces lighter, and like Blake mentioned even more packable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse179 Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 A friend of mine got (and returned) a Micropuff jacket. That same guy has the older micropuff pullover snapped vest that is really a piece of work. He loved so he got the jacket too and it is cut so stange, that his skinny self could curl up and almost sleep in it. The delta filling is sweet, but the cut of the micropuff stuff is terribly inconsistant. If you go that route try it on for sure becuase it could really be an odd fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 The Micropuff pullover rocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCH Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Agreed, the Pata Micropuff Pullover is hard to beat. The warmth-to-weight ratio is very high. It has the basic needed features, nothing more. The DWR on the fabric is typical high Patagonia quality and lasts a long time with reasonable care. It's only about 12 ounces so doesn't give up much to the lightest down sweaters/jackets. Being synthetic, it offers the security of dealing with precip better. I'm a lean 6' guy and bought the size L for shoulder fit and arm length. It's spacious in the body but that makes it good for pulling over whatever other layers you're wearing (rest stops, belaying, etc.). The zipper is long so it's easy to do this. I think it's a great piece and the price is reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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