mtn_mouse Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 Never can trust a rooster. Could you ask your crystal ball what kind of cat is this? Should I be concerned? Thanks in advance; mtnmouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rooster Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 Did someone call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsgirl Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 Err, we need 10 bucks for a real answer, but Dumpster did tell me that that is an Ex-cat. LIke, it may have been a cat long ago, before it tried to cavort under water. He did not take an aqua lung, being a cat, and of course, he expired in a mountain stream. His DNA hung around for millenia, and somehow, combined with some spawning salmon's roe, this thing developed. THis was, in fact the first actual clone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsgirl Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 Oh, he did say you otter be concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsgirl Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 You, again! My horn-dog fighting roosters want to come over and spar with you. They seem to be working on mostly side-kicks, but they are getting pretty good at it. One tried to attack my head last night, and I went after him with one of those temporary electric fence posts. He was too fast for me, but I got his attention. I cuddled these *&^$(# when they were little and this is the thanks I get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOtter Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 Damn! She's HOTT!!! (and has a heck of a rack). You otter gimme her numbah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rooster Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 You, again! My horn-dog fighting roosters want to come over and spar with you. They seem to be working on mostly side-kicks, but they are getting pretty good at it. One tried to attack my head last night, and I went after him with one of those temporary electric fence posts. He was too fast for me, but I got his attention. I cuddled these *&^$(# when they were little and this is the thanks I get? You don't have to worry about that stuff with me. I'm very sweet. COCK A DOODLE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midnightrider Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 It sounds like the latest theory from S&R is, 2 of the climbers chose to continue because the choice was either to continue or stay and die and Kelly James was too exhausted to continue. As the other 2 continued they were blown off the mtn by the hurricane force winds and are buried under the new snow where they fell. Does that sound right? It sounds like they made a bad choice concerning weather and gear, and got slowed coming down the summit, for whatever reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary_hehn Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 (edited) Do we know what the summit pictures revealed about the weather at that point in their climb? I'm suspecting it was bad, but all was still going to plan. I'm guessing that due to poor visibility they were unable to find the descent route that they planned to take and that during the time they were searching for this route the conditions worsened to the point of being intolerable. This is when things went bad for them. Finding a location for a snow cave and digging it would have been difficult. I don't think most can appreciate what they were likely up against. The winds could easily have been strong enough that one couldn't stand up, but would be restricted to crawling on all fours. Building the snow cave was the right thing to do. What I don't understand is why they didn't stay put and wait for the weather to clear. They must have felt that they weren't going to survive long enough in the snow cave. Edited December 22, 2006 by gary_hehn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twocents Posted December 22, 2006 Author Share Posted December 22, 2006 It sounds like the latest theory from S&R is, 2 of the climbers chose to continue because the choice was either to continue or stay and die and Kelly James was too exhausted to continue. As the other 2 continued they were blown off the mtn by the hurricane force winds and are buried under the new snow where they fell. Does that sound right? It sounds like they made a bad choice concerning weather and gear, and got slowed coming down the summit, for whatever reason. Continue backwards? o..............k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 As the other 2 continued they were blown off the mtn by the hurricane force winds and are buried under the new snow where they fell. Does that sound right? No, they would be on Mt. Jefferson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 hey no sense, quite the first thread. your'e my hero, not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twocents Posted December 22, 2006 Author Share Posted December 22, 2006 The high winds and blowing snow, and even the cold temps, shouldn't have been issues if they had built a good snow cave. I don't know why the snow cave wasn't enough to keep Kelly from hypothermia. Experienced people have stated that a properly dug out cave can keep you safe in temps well below freezing. And the wind shouldn't have been the problem since you are out of the wind once inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twocents Posted December 22, 2006 Author Share Posted December 22, 2006 hey no sense, quite the first thread. your'e my hero, not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary_hehn Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 Snow caves are great protection from the elements and can be far warmer than the conditions outside but, they aren't "warm" so to speak. You tend to get soaked building them and they take a good amount of time and effort to build. That whole time one was probably digging while the other two supported the effort as best they could, while still being pretty much exposed to the elements. They were all probably suffering from hypothermia. Kelly may have been in a deeper stage of hypothermia once they completed the cave and got into its shelter. If they were unable to raise his core temperature he would have continued to slip deeper. He would have needed a warm environment to recover if he was beyond mild hypothermia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 The high winds and blowing snow, and even the cold temps, shouldn't have been issues if they had built a good snow cave. I don't know why the snow cave wasn't enough to keep Kelly from hypothermia. Experienced people have stated that a properly dug out cave can keep you safe in temps well below freezing. And the wind shouldn't have been the problem since you are out of the wind once inside. At least one foam pad was found in the cave, was it not? Insulation is essential. Of course packs and the rope help in this regard too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly1 Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 I wonder what some of these idiots (Molly, twocents, that army idiot, etc.) would think if there was a climbing area in the Lower 48 at the same level as Chamonix or the Columbia Icefield. I have to laugh at the suggestion that the North Face of Mt. Hood in winter is so extreme that it's irresponsible to do (which is the impression I get from several of the non-climbers here), when I can go back home watch people climb stuff like The Beast Within and attempt the Emperor Face of Mt. Robson in winter! I have actually been on Chamonix--skiing, so I took the gondola up--and I suppose it was beautiful, but it was very high and I don't like heights. Plus, the gondola stopped half way up, and the phone rang, and everyone started talking rapidly in French. We swayed in the wind for an hour while they fixed something, not my cup of tea. I like the short and cozy mountains of Vermont. I read somewhere that Kelly was in training for Everest, a dream of his. That also might have been a factor in their 'rapid ascent' decision--as a training exercise. No one is saying anything was 'irresponsible.' That's your own projection. We're just asking questions. Thanks for your answers, Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 I wonder what some of these idiots (Molly, twocents, that army idiot, etc.) would think if there was a climbing area in the Lower 48 at the same level as Chamonix or the Columbia Icefield. I have to laugh at the suggestion that the North Face of Mt. Hood in winter is so extreme that it's irresponsible to do (which is the impression I get from several of the non-climbers here), when I can go back home watch people climb stuff like The Beast Within and attempt the Emperor Face of Mt. Robson in winter! I have actually been on Chamonix--skiing, so I took the gondola up--and I suppose it was beautiful, but it was very high and I don't like heights. Plus, the gondola stopped half way up, and the phone rang, and everyone started talking rapidly in French. We swayed in the wind for an hour while they fixed something, not my cup of tea. I like the short and cozy mountains of Vermont. I read somewhere that Kelly was in training for Everest, a dream of his. That also might have been a factor in their 'rapid ascent' decision--as a training exercise. No one is saying anything was 'irresponsible.' That's your own projection. We're just asking questions. Thanks for your answers, Steve. Hey Molly, wanna fuck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 Beware Molly, we don't call him Hot Carl for nothing. Then again, maybe that's your thing, though I'd guess you'd rather climb into the freezers at the supermarket and play "mortuary." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couloir Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 I have actually been on Chamonix--skiing, so I took the gondola up--and I suppose it was beautiful, but it was very high and I don't like heights. Plus, the gondola stopped half way up, and the phone rang, and everyone started talking rapidly in French. We swayed in the wind for an hour while they fixed something, not my cup of tea. I like the short and cozy mountains of Vermont. I read somewhere that Kelly was in training for Everest, a dream of his. That also might have been a factor in their 'rapid ascent' decision--as a training exercise. No one is saying anything was 'irresponsible.' That's your own projection. We're just asking questions. Thanks for your answers, Steve. Hey Molly, wanna fuck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 The high winds and blowing snow, and even the cold temps, shouldn't have been issues if they had built a good snow cave. I don't know why the snow cave wasn't enough to keep Kelly from hypothermia. Experienced people have stated that a properly dug out cave can keep you safe in temps well below freezing. And the wind shouldn't have been the problem since you are out of the wind once inside. hey two cents, why don't you go up on mount hood in similar conditions and do a reinactment. all of your questions will be answered and we will be rid of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 Then again, maybe that's your thing, though I'd guess you'd rather climb into the freezers at the supermarket and play "mortuary." Hmm, I'm not a big fan of frigid bitches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 (edited) Ok, let me speculate - twocents is a hypocritical asshole, advocating respect for the climbers families, but then carrying on with morbid speculation that causes nothing but more hurt by second guessing a situation that he knows nothing about and cannot offer anythig relevent to. Not too far off, eh? Nobody has yet pissed B-rock off in the years I've been lurking to the extent that he's turned and burned like in this post, so maybe 2 cents should get a prize? PS, let me add a pic and thus contribute to the speculation thread: Note: huge spectacular pic of vultures in a tree was removed a few days after this was posted and someone had cooled down. Edited December 25, 2006 by billcoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 (edited) 2 cent close up. Oh wait, that might be Stevensegal1. Maybe they are the same. Note: huge spectacular pic of a single vulture in a tree was removed a few days after this was posted and someone had cooled down. Edited December 25, 2006 by billcoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 (edited) Note: huge spectacular pic of a vulture in a tree and a disparaging comment about the now banned Segal 1 was removed a few days after this was posted and someone had cooled down. Edited December 25, 2006 by billcoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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