Indiana_Jones Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 ....comedy gone bad. The tirade on tape... http://www.tmz.com/2006/11/20/kramers-racist-tirade-caught-on-tape Apology on Letterman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5dkHMHVJjU Either way, as big a whack job in real life as his Kramer character on TV. Anybody, that uses dated shit like "afro-american" in his apology needs to pull his head out of his ass anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 "blessed with an abundance of melanin" is a much better phrase to kiss ass by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 I'd say the real story here is Jerry Seinfeld's unflagging loyalty to a friend in trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 I haven't heard this tape yet, but I just gotta say: I'm a little tired of folks coming out with what they believe and then later going, "Oh sorry, sorry. Didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings." If you are a racist, you are a racist. If you are misogynist, you are a misogynist. If you are a homophobe, you are probably gay. But you can't just go, "Sorry" because that doens't change what you feel or what you believe. Why are people pacified by these empty apologies made immediately after a little slip. And why do folks feel so compeled to make these ridiculous statements? Criminey, even the Pope apologized to muslims for "speaking out of turn". Come on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 I haven't heard this tape yet, but I just gotta say: I'm a little tired of folks coming out with what they believe and then later going, "Oh sorry, sorry. Didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings." If you are a racist, you are a racist. If you are misogynist, you are a misogynist. If you are a homophobe, you are probably gay. But you can't just go, "Sorry" because that doens't change what you feel or what you believe. Why are people pacified by these empty apologies made immediately after a little slip. And why do folks feel so compeled to make these ridiculous statements? Criminey, even the Pope apologized to muslims for "speaking out of turn". Come on. You are an idiot; we are human, which means we make mistakes! Kramer screwed up. So fucking what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Thank you for that powerful rebuttal and impressive insight into my intellectual ability; you are truly an asset to this site. And outstanding analysis of what I posted. Excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 (edited) There's still enough Catholic left in me to lean the other way on this. What we say in anger is often not a true representation of what we believe. If it were, many of the folks on this website would be in dire need of some serious psychiatric help. And I'd have a steak knife protruding from my chest, courtesy of my wife. Edited November 22, 2006 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couloir Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Why are people pacified by these empty apologies made immediately after a little slip. What's more, this happened Friday night. It wasn't until Monday and the video appeared that he felt compelled to apologize. We're all repentant when we're caught red-handed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strumpett Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 We're all repentant when we're caught red-handed No shit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couloir Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 As for punishment, his career (what there is of it) will suffer. Do the two guys that were screamed at, which have retained attorney Gloria Allred to represent them deserve any money, absolutely not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 More accurately, he apologized at his first public opportunity, the Letterman show, which happened to air on Monday. Letterman wasn't even going to allow it, but Seinfeld pursued it and won out. The incriminating video had been circulating all weekend on the net, by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 There's still enough Catholic left in me to lean the other way on this. What we say in anger is often not a true representation of what we believe. If it were, many of the folks on this website would be in dire need of some serious psychiatric help. And I'd have a steak knife protruding from my chest, courtesy of my wife. Was he angry? I gotta watch the video before I open my big gob... I like the Catholic angle though, especially since the Church steadfastly refuses to apologize for much of anything. And when they do, it is usually pretty wimpy. That is part of why I was a bit disappointed when the new Pope hurried and apologized to the one group of people who haven't really suffered under their actions. Ok, back to Kramer; I'll watch and see. (Geez I am a slacker today) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 I don't give a damn about the Catholic church and what it does or doesn't do. I'm not religious. Forgiveness, on the other hand, is something we could all use a bit more of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strumpett Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 If you are a homophobe, you are probably gay If you openly hate crack climbing. You probably really love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 The Kramer bit requires an ActiveX download that I won't put on my computer, but I did see the apology. He sure does look sincere, and his buddy is right to say that he deserves a chance to apologize. I thought it was wierd that the audience laughed, but maybe they were just uncomfortable at first. I look forward to the day people take misogynistic comments and rants this seriously. Some day it will be as unacceptable to say the horrible degrading shit about women as it is to say unacceptable horrible shit about minorities. And people really are forgiving, it just takes a little time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Some day it will be as unacceptable to say the horrible degrading shit about women ...and husbands... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Husbands are wonderful. Every woman should have a few of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high_on_rock Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 It would be my impression that what we saw was anger not racism. I think we saw a guy verbally punching at the members of the audience with the hardest verbal fist he knew. If you go nuts and punch some guy who deserves it, that doesn't make you a violent person. We all have our braking point, and he obviously hit his. To my knowledge there is no pattern of this behavior, it was just that he snapped. I am not a racist, but I also know the right names to inflict the worst pain on minorities. If I knew of words that would be that powerful when used against white people, I might someday use those in anger. Unless there is a pattern of the behavior, I think one needs to give him the benefit of the doubt. Just my thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Obviously the most powerful word to use against white people is "racist" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fear_and_greed Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Obviously the most powerful word to use against white people is "racist" How about "Tax audit", "Flat tire in Compton at midnight" or "President Condeleeza Rice" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 "Melanin-reduced" "Afro-Neandertal" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tivoli_mike Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 It would be my impression that what we saw was anger not racism. I think we saw a guy verbally punching at the members of the audience with the hardest verbal fist he knew. If you go nuts and punch some guy who deserves it, that doesn't make you a violent person. We all have our braking point, and he obviously hit his. To my knowledge there is no pattern of this behavior, it was just that he snapped. Well, when you "snap" your first immediate reaction is not one going to be based on cold calculation is what you really feel. I am not a racist, but I also know the right names to inflict the worst pain on minorities. If I knew of words that would be that powerful when used against white people, I might someday use those in anger. Unless there is a pattern of the behavior, I think one needs to give him the benefit of the doubt. Just my thought. He lost it on a stage being heckled ( common for stand-up in a small club) and went right for the n-word. That wasn't cold calculation it was plain , deep-seated racist reaction that surfaced when he felt confronted, cornered and angry. As for a pattern we really don't know much because after Seinfeld, his career has been pretty lackluster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 It would be my impression that what we saw was anger not racism. I think we saw a guy verbally punching at the members of the audience with the hardest verbal fist he knew. If you go nuts and punch some guy who deserves it, that doesn't make you a violent person. We all have our braking point, and he obviously hit his. To my knowledge there is no pattern of this behavior, it was just that he snapped. Well, when you "snap" your first immediate reaction is not one going to be based on cold calculation is what you really feel. I am not a racist, but I also know the right names to inflict the worst pain on minorities. If I knew of words that would be that powerful when used against white people, I might someday use those in anger. Unless there is a pattern of the behavior, I think one needs to give him the benefit of the doubt. Just my thought. He lost it on a stage being heckled ( common for stand-up in a small club) and went right for the n-word. That wasn't cold calculation it was plain , deep-seated racist reaction that surfaced when he felt confronted, cornered and angry. As for a pattern we really don't know much because after Seinfeld, his career has been pretty lackluster. I love how all the arm-chair psychiatrists here just "know" that the guy is a racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tivoli_mike Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 It would be my impression that what we saw was anger not racism. I think we saw a guy verbally punching at the members of the audience with the hardest verbal fist he knew. If you go nuts and punch some guy who deserves it, that doesn't make you a violent person. We all have our braking point, and he obviously hit his. To my knowledge there is no pattern of this behavior, it was just that he snapped. Well, when you "snap" your first immediate reaction is not one going to be based on cold calculation is what you really feel. I am not a racist, but I also know the right names to inflict the worst pain on minorities. If I knew of words that would be that powerful when used against white people, I might someday use those in anger. Unless there is a pattern of the behavior, I think one needs to give him the benefit of the doubt. Just my thought. He lost it on a stage being heckled ( common for stand-up in a small club) and went right for the n-word. That wasn't cold calculation it was plain , deep-seated racist reaction that surfaced when he felt confronted, cornered and angry. As for a pattern we really don't know much because after Seinfeld, his career has been pretty lackluster. I love how all the arm-chair psychiatrists here just "know" that the guy is a racist. so what is a racist then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 i don't know if there is anyone who hasn't had a racist thought at some point in their lives. it seems to be a pretty human characteristic to differentiate and then make judgments based on that differentiation. but who knows whether or not kramer internally endorses racist thought; the tirade could have simply been an outburst of anger, using the most hurtful language he had at his disposal. it doesn't necessarily mean he's "racist" (a belief in the inferiority of one "race" over another (as if "race" really exists!)). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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