RuMR Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 It's obsolete. The common climber has evolved, and can easily develop the proper skills and equipment to climb and descend without the aid of cables. If you scrap the cables, the zoo is gone as the non-climbers go find somewhere else to be dangerous to themselves and others. That stuff just doesn't belong there, history is a poor excuse for the eyesore and the insult to nature (not to mention the apparent invitation for people who have no business being on the side of that rock face). hey asswerked...why don't you piss off? My folks went up those in their 60's and it was a thriller, now you are saying that they have to be fit enough to rockclimb? Big newsflash to you, climbers are waaaaaay in the minority...i mean wwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaay in the minority... just the fact that there have been very few accidents relative to the numbers that have used them warrants them... again, piss off, elitist prick... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 It's obsolete. The common climber has evolved, and can easily develop the proper skills and equipment to climb and descend without the aid of cables. If you scrap the cables, the zoo is gone as the non-climbers go find somewhere else to be dangerous to themselves and others. That stuff just doesn't belong there, history is a poor excuse for the eyesore and the insult to nature (not to mention the apparent invitation for people who have no business being on the side of that rock face). hey asswerked...why don't you piss off? My folks went up those in their 60's and it was a thriller, now you are saying that they have to be fit enough to rockclimb? Big newsflash to you, climbers are waaaaaay in the minority...i mean wwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaay in the minority... just the fact that there have been very few accidents relative to the numbers that have used them warrants them... again, piss off, elitist prick... You tell em RU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashw_justin Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 (edited) excellent Rudy maybe they can put in a gondola for you when you are 100 ok I'm pissing off then ps. I just realized this thread isn't supposed to contain anything, someone move all the posts to spray Edited November 17, 2006 by ashw_justin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 excellent Clearly the solution is to put in a gondola This is funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 excellent Rudy maybe they can put in a gondola for you when you are 100 ok I'm pissing off then ps. I just realized this thread isn't supposed to contain anything, someone move all the posts to spray i need one now...can't wait until the gondola gets installed on the chief soon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telemarker Posted November 17, 2006 Author Share Posted November 17, 2006 (edited) Would you allow your kids to ascend/descend w/o a harness? While we were coming down, I saw plenty of middle school-aged kids descending seemingly oblivious of the consequences of a slip on the polished granite. What I like about the cables is it's a landmark and an opportunity for someone who never climbs to feel a bit of the exposure and committment of yosemite. I definitely thought it was the crux of RNWF. I wasn't gripped so much as to the consequences of slipping, but rather afraid of the absolute embarassment of falling to my death in front of so many fuckin tourists. Edited November 17, 2006 by telemarker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 It's so American to blow everything out of proportion. One person dies, and suddenly there's a huge, glaring safety issue. Reminds me of the armchair analysts a few years back when there was a string of deaths on Lib Ridge calling for that route to be "closed" to *all* climbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashw_justin Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 I just think it's wrong to have the cables on the rock face (safety is only one consequence). but I'm supposed to be pissing off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korrigan Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Ya know those of you talking shit to ashw are the ones who should be pissing off. The guy posts some reasonable remarks and gets hammered with all this psuedo sympathy/ grief 'I knew the person or a person who knew the person who knew the person'... what a crock. I don't see where an opinion about the cables has anything remotely to do with the B.S. responses, nor do I see where the tone can be construed as appropriate for what were reasonably stated opinions. Whatever honor or memory you might have wished to go with this person has just turned into spray. You lose boneheads... perhaps you should just join the many who will say things about 'dying doing what you love or some other such BS when the fact remains that if the cables weren't there this person would be alive and pointing that out is not a bad thing. Kind of like a mountain road with no guardrail. If somebody slid off in the rain driving home don't you think it would be relavent to mention the facts of the situation? Or is anything other than a bunch of me too grief whore responses inappropriate? Before you spew on me keep in mind I don't have an opinion about the cables only about self rightous f'ks. People die it's tragic and sad and I feel bad for those involved, but using it as an excuse to browbeat someone or whatever is just sick and wrong. Don't you guys have a mountie get together to attend or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 piss off you little korgie... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 The guy posts some reasonable remarks and gets hammered with all this psuedo sympathy/ grief... it was the recognition of poignancy that prompted ashw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Ya know those of you talking shit to ashw are the ones who should be pissing off. The guy posts some reasonable remarks and gets hammered with all this psuedo sympathy/ grief 'I knew the person or a person who knew the person who knew the person'... what a crock. I don't see where an opinion about the cables has anything remotely to do with the B.S. responses, nor do I see where the tone can be construed as appropriate for what were reasonably stated opinions. Whatever honor or memory you might have wished to go with this person has just turned into spray. You lose boneheads... perhaps you should just join the many who will say things about 'dying doing what you love or some other such BS when the fact remains that if the cables weren't there this person would be alive and pointing that out is not a bad thing. Kind of like a mountain road with no guardrail. If somebody slid off in the rain driving home don't you think it would be relavent to mention the facts of the situation? Or is anything other than a bunch of me too grief whore responses inappropriate? Before you spew on me keep in mind I don't have an opinion about the cables only about self rightous f'ks. People die it's tragic and sad and I feel bad for those involved, but using it as an excuse to browbeat someone or whatever is just sick and wrong. Don't you guys have a mountie get together to attend or something? take the cables off and people will still try it... and probably more will die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountainmatt Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 People are not telling him to piss off because he is commenting on the cables, its that (once again) someone is starting to spray/drift in a death thread. If you want to talk about whether cables should be in the wilderness, start your own post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 people die on highways. therefore get rid of the highways and go back to footpaths? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashw_justin Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 bicycles dude, bicycles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flush_Amazing Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Ya know those of you talking shit to ashw are the ones who should be pissing off. The guy posts some reasonable remarks and gets hammered with all this psuedo sympathy/ grief 'I knew the person or a person who knew the person who knew the person'... what a crock. I don't see where an opinion about the cables has anything remotely to do with the B.S. responses, nor do I see where the tone can be construed as appropriate for what were reasonably stated opinions. Whatever honor or memory you might have wished to go with this person has just turned into spray. You lose boneheads... perhaps you should just join the many who will say things about 'dying doing what you love or some other such BS when the fact remains that if the cables weren't there this person would be alive and pointing that out is not a bad thing. Kind of like a mountain road with no guardrail. If somebody slid off in the rain driving home don't you think it would be relavent to mention the facts of the situation? Or is anything other than a bunch of me too grief whore responses inappropriate? Before you spew on me keep in mind I don't have an opinion about the cables only about self rightous f'ks. People die it's tragic and sad and I feel bad for those involved, but using it as an excuse to browbeat someone or whatever is just sick and wrong. Don't you guys have a mountie get together to attend or something? The Doctor agrees with this guy. And his protagonist askwfjkw_jutstands. The Doctor would also like to say that there should be no roads in Yosemite Valley, or "The Ditch" or whatever Mr. Ubercooldwarf is calling it this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korrigan Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 piss off you little korgie... How shall I piss off master? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 People are not telling him to piss off because he is commenting on the cables, its that (once again) someone is starting to spray/drift in a death thread. If you want to talk about whether cables should be in the wilderness, start your own post. OK, let’s talk about the cables. Do you respect first accents above all else. I do. I give it up for the FA, EVEN IF I DON’T AGREE WITH IT. They got there first. Well if you do respect the FA, the piss off with the attitude about taking the cables out. Maybe we should take the bolts out of snake dike too! Or better yet, all the bolts on El Cap. Including the anchors. The cable route on the back of Half Dome was put up sometime around the turn of the century. I would say that gives the right to keep it the way it is. Respect who came before you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 Ya know those of you talking shit to ashw are the ones who should be pissing off. The guy posts some reasonable remarks and gets hammered with all this psuedo sympathy/ grief 'I knew the person or a person who knew the person who knew the person'... what a crock. I don't see where an opinion about the cables has anything remotely to do with the B.S. responses, nor do I see where the tone can be construed as appropriate for what were reasonably stated opinions. Whatever honor or memory you might have wished to go with this person has just turned into spray. You lose boneheads... perhaps you should just join the many who will say things about 'dying doing what you love or some other such BS when the fact remains that if the cables weren't there this person would be alive and pointing that out is not a bad thing. Kind of like a mountain road with no guardrail. If somebody slid off in the rain driving home don't you think it would be relavent to mention the facts of the situation? Or is anything other than a bunch of me too grief whore responses inappropriate? Before you spew on me keep in mind I don't have an opinion about the cables only about self rightous f'ks. People die it's tragic and sad and I feel bad for those involved, but using it as an excuse to browbeat someone or whatever is just sick and wrong. Don't you guys have a mountie get together to attend or something? take the cables off and people will still try it... and probably more will die. That's what we do, isn't it? We try climbing up stuff that doesn't have cables. Some die. It's a bummer, but hey, we all gotta go somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flush_Amazing Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 People are not telling him to piss off because he is commenting on the cables, its that (once again) someone is starting to spray/drift in a death thread. If you want to talk about whether cables should be in the wilderness, start your own post. OK, let’s talk about the cables. Do you respect first accents above all else. I do. I give it up for the FA, EVEN IF I DON’T AGREE WITH IT. They got there first. Well if you do respect the FA, the piss off with the attitude about taking the cables out. Maybe we should take the bolts out of snake dike too! Or better yet, all the bolts on El Cap. Including the anchors. The cable route on the back of Half Dome was put up sometime around the turn of the century. I would say that gives the right to keep it the way it is. Respect who came before you! You have poop for brains. I like you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 That's what we do, isn't it? We try climbing up stuff that doesn't have cables. Some die. It's a bummer, but hey, we all gotta go somehow. The premise being posited is that because one person died, the cables encourage people to climb Half Dome who shouldn't be, and if we take the cables down it will somehow save lives. I think more people would die if you took the cables off, which would negate that premise. Moreover, one death out of thousands who go up and down those cables every year hardly warrants this (over!)reaction. Furthermore, as has been pointed out, the person who died was on half dome outside the normal hiking season when the cables were already "down" for the winter, and suggesting this was no "touron" who "didn't belong there". For the hiker/climber who died: requiescat in pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 piss off you little korgie... How shall I piss off master? preferably into a stiff wind...well below freezing would be good also...anyother questions, grasshoppah? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korrigan Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 It was a monte python cue not kung foo sheesh... back to the board with you to come up with a more humorous response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 british humor is about as good as british food... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 ...or british tans... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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