Jump to content
  • Announcements

    • olyclimber

      WELCOME TO THE CASCADECLIMBERS.COM FORUMS   02/03/18

      We have upgraded to new forum software as of late last year, and it makes everything here so much better!  It is now much easier to do pretty much anything, including write Trip Reports, sell gear, schedule climbing related events, and more. There is a new reputation system that allows for positive contributors to be recognized,  it is possible to tag content with identifiers, drag and drop in images, and it is much easier to embed multimedia content from Youtube, Vimeo, and more.  In all, the site is much more user friendly, bug free, and feature rich!   Whether you're a new user or a grizzled cascadeclimbers.com veteran, we think you'll love the new forums. Enjoy!
Sign in to follow this  
XXX

more people killed at mt pilchuck

Recommended Posts

cool we move the discussion onto a dicussion the definition of sanity? and perhaps why batteries are not a 10 Essential? yoda.gif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

OK. I'm a liberal who is mad at the conservatives for de-funding the mental institutions and landing my ex's ex on the streets where he is free to drive without a license and talk to passers by about how 5 evil demons are going to make him kill his own son (my stepson) thereby making it my responsibility to provide for my ex family's defense against a man who doesn't give a rip about laws or reason. Meanwhile, those same "conservatives" are spending all the money they saved by closing the mental programs on invading Iraq and now occupying it indefinately. Today's conservatives are radicals. Yesterday's leberals are toting guns. I say bring back the dope smoking George Bush.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We'd all be safer if all law-abiding citizens owned a gun.

 

I hear about criminals killing people a hell of a lot less often than I hear about a teenager walking into school with an assault rifle and shooting 25 of his classmates, or a father shooting his family and then himself, or a guy showing up to a rave afterparty and slaughtering the partygoers, or a father blowing away his 14-year-old daughter as she crawls in her bedroom window thinking she's an intruder.

 

I wonder if the parents of the Amish schoolgirls murdered last month think we'd be safer if only more law-abiding milkmen had easy access to guns?

 

All these people, right up to the point they started spraying bullets, were your "law-abiding citizens."

 

And no one ever said they were insane either until they killed a bunch of people.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Why don't you tell us YOUR version of...self defense strategies?

 

present a larger target: take an accompanying large friend.

Shit! How'm I gonna fit all those hiking requests into my calendar? hellno3d.gif

 

Thanks a lot, DeC.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Getting woke up by the police manhunt (helicoptor, squad cars, officers on foot) that seemed to center around my backyard last night at 1:00am really made me think about the finer points of home protection.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Why don't you tell us YOUR version of...self defense strategies?

 

present a larger target: take an accompanying large friend.

Shit! How'm I gonna fit all those hiking requests into my calendar? hellno3d.gif

 

Thanks a lot, DeC.

 

Another benefit of the larger friend is in clearing your path by pushing him/her through the brush ahead of yourself.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
OK. I'm a liberal who is mad at the conservatives for de-funding the mental institutions and landing my ex's ex on the streets where he is free to drive without a license and talk to passers by about how 5 evil demons are going to make him kill his own son (my stepson) thereby making it my responsibility to provide for my ex family's defense against a man who doesn't give a rip about laws or reason. Meanwhile, those same "conservatives" are spending all the money they saved by closing the mental programs on invading Iraq and now occupying it indefinately. Today's conservatives are radicals. Yesterday's leberals are toting guns. I say bring back the dope smoking George Bush.

 

Actually, I believe it was liberal judges back in the early 80's that ruled the mentally ill can no longer be involuntarily committed to mental institutions. A violation of their civil rights, ya know. Now we have ten's of thousands of people roaming the streets of this country who, by all rights, should be receiving treatment in an institution. But if its easier for you to blame those evil conservatives, then by all means...... rolleyes.gif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This argument is moot. If fairy-land Seattle types ever succeed in usurping our constitutionally protected right to possess arms, I will become a 'criminal'.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Actually, I believe it was liberal judges back in the early 80's that ruled the mentally ill can no longer be involuntarily committed to mental institutions.

hellno3d.gif

 

RCW 71.05.150:

 

"When a county designated mental health professional receives information alleging that a person, as a result of a mental disorder: (i) Presents a likelihood of serious harm; or (ii) is gravely disabled; the county designated mental health professional may...file a petition for initial detention..." etc.

 

http://www.psychlaws.org/LegalResources/StateLaws/Washingtonstatute.htm

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
OK. I'm a liberal who is mad at the conservatives for de-funding the mental institutions and landing my ex's ex on the streets where he is free to drive without a license and talk to passers by about how 5 evil demons are going to make him kill his own son (my stepson) thereby making it my responsibility to provide for my ex family's defense against a man who doesn't give a rip about laws or reason. Meanwhile, those same "conservatives" are spending all the money they saved by closing the mental programs on invading Iraq and now occupying it indefinately. Today's conservatives are radicals. Yesterday's leberals are toting guns. I say bring back the dope smoking George Bush.

 

Actually, I believe it was liberal judges back in the early 80's that ruled the mentally ill can no longer be involuntarily committed to mental institutions. A violation of their civil rights, ya know. Now we have ten's of thousands of people roaming the streets of this country who, by all rights, should be receiving treatment in an institution. But if its easier for you to blame those evil conservatives, then by all means...... rolleyes.gif

Guess again.

Fed funding of state institutions was cut under Reagan during his first and second term and then again completely eliminated under Bush.

Right now you can have a direct relative committed if you can prove they are a danger to themselves or someone else. My ex's ex could be committed today if his family would take responsibility and PAY for his entire bill.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sorry to put the thread back on topic, but this morning's paper had a little article which said that Snohomish Sherrif's Dept. found the bones in a ravine distant from the Mt. Pilchuck trailhead and confirmed that they were human bones.

 

Okay, you may return to your regularly scheduled gun rant.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Um, yea - You better read the entire statute. Also, note in your snippet, "initial detention".

I did read the entire statute. Did you?

 

At the risk of wasting valuable cc.com board space, here is the section which lays out the criteria for extended involuntary commitment:

 

-----------------

RCW 71.05.280

Additional confinement -- Grounds.

 

At the expiration of the fourteen-day period of intensive treatment, a person may be confined for further treatment pursuant to RCW 71.05.320 if:

 

(1) Such person after having been taken into custody for evaluation and treatment has threatened, attempted, or inflicted:

 

(a) Physical harm upon the person of another or himself or herself, or substantial damage upon the property of another, and

 

(b) as a result of mental disorder presents a likelihood of serious harm; or

 

(2) Such person was taken into custody as a result of conduct in which he or she attempted or inflicted physical harm upon the person of another or himself or herself, or substantial damage upon the property of others, and continues to present, as a result of mental disorder, a likelihood of serious harm; or

 

(3) Such person has been determined to be incompetent and criminal charges have been dismissed pursuant to RCW 10.77.090 (4), and has committed acts constituting a felony, and as a result of a mental disorder, presents a substantial likelihood of repeating similar acts. In any proceeding pursuant to this subsection it shall not be necessary to show intent, willfulness, or state of mind as an element of the crime; or

 

(4) Such person is gravely disabled.

 

----------

 

Please let me know what I'm missing here confused.gif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You know how sometimes, maybe when you're at the beach, you see two seagulls just flapping and squawking away at each other endlessly for no apparent reason? That's how you gun debate doofuses sound.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
You know how sometimes, maybe when you're at the beach, you see two seagulls just flapping and squawking away at each other endlessly for no apparent reason? That's how you gun debate doofuses sound.

 

yelrotflmao.gif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

wow, almost had another 10 essentials rant from the Fundamentalist Mounties Sect. preaching from the FoH, their koran. sounds like a mounties jihad.

 

if i choose to carry a gun, thats my deal. you guys that have a problem with that can go f*** yourselves.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Don't waste FW's time with facts, laws, and other trivial meaningless details. He knows everything about everything - learn to place blind faith in his wisdom and judgment.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

Sign in to follow this  

×