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For a while I've been digging Ralph Vaughan Williams.

 

Lately I've been into Zoltan Kodaly (cello connection there). A fellow cellist also hooked me up with a far-out

Ravel violin-cello duo.

 

About a week ago, I saw the movie "Le Grand Voyage", and the credits said the theme was based on Carl Maria von Weber.

 

My recollection from hearing the theme was that it is

A B C# A F# E A. I checked out his popular piano sonatas, but no luck. My friend had no clue, though she suggested that we watch it again.

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a technique i've found useful now and again is to pull up amazon.com and listen to likely samples.

 

that's a catchy sequence (i had the bassist in one of my son's bands play it for me), but i don't know the tempo, and i've got a terrible 'ear' for tunes anyway.

 

back to cello music, i presume it's the Kodaly op.8 that you're into. very nice...

 

but RVW didn't really write much (any?) cello music, did he?

 

who else do u like in the 20th century cello field? Shostakovich? what about the Britten suites? (i like those a lot...)

 

btw, i did some surfing and came across a guy named Weinberg (a.k.a. Vainberg). one source had his cello sonatas as "equal with the solo cello suites of Bach and Reger as the greatest cello music ever written". jeez; impressive, if even half true. and i've never even HEARD of the guy. do u know his music?

 

tks, cheers, don

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back to cello music, i presume it's the Kodaly op.8 that you're into. very nice...

 

I just got the sheet music for it too, though much of it is over my head. It uses an alternate tuning of the instrument. Instead of CGDA, BF#DA. There's a cellist (whom incidentally I met on Valentine's Day) who's working on that piece; he's at least an order of magnitude better of a player than I am.

 

but RVW didn't really write much (any?) cello music, did he?

 

No, but a few years ago I was blessed to stumble across his Phantasy Quintet when I was in a quintet with 2 violas. He knows how to work the middle voices, and his 2nd movement is wild -- 7/4.

 

I've had a pretty big crush on the 20th century English movement (Bridge, Britten, Elgar, Holst, RVW, Walton) for the past few years. Mostly string music, but also RVW's symphonies.

 

who else do u like in the 20th century cello field? Shostakovich? what about the Britten suites? (i like those a lot...)

 

I dig the Britten suites, though I've mostly just delved into the first one. I really like the Canto and its reprisals. Though slow, the double-stops are challenging to play tone-wise.

 

Shostakovich 1st concerto is great.

 

Elgar Concerto is amazing. See the movie Hillary and Jackie too. My friends tell me the slowest movement is the hardest to play... I'll get to it someday. Haydn C 3rd movement is on the plate after Lalo. And then there's the octave passages in the Saint-Saens that are the only crux there. And if I get better at octaves, I could tackle the virtuosic passages of Dvorak (I love its slow melody).

 

There's a variety of other 20th century cello music I own that I need to listen to more, so I can't isolate a few right now as my favorite. Various Russian composers, Barber, some Piazzola adaptations, recent stuff such as Tavener, etc.

 

btw, i did some surfing and came across a guy named Weinberg (a.k.a. Vainberg). one source had his cello sonatas as "equal with the solo cello suites of Bach and Reger as the greatest cello music ever written". jeez; impressive, if even half true. and i've never even HEARD of the guy. do u know his music?

 

haven't heard of him -- need to check them out

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Forget "composers" go with "decomposers". Listen to "Miles in Tokyo" from '64 with Sam Rivers on tenor, or Cecil Taylor "Unit Structures", Mingus's Black Saint and the Sinner Lady and Thelonius Alone in San Francisco.

 

The cello thing has 4 strings right? Pick that oversized violin up and slap me out some funk lines. rockband.gif

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Havergal Brian (Britain, 1876): Symphony 10 (1954)

Havergal Brian (Britain, 1876): Symphony 20 (1962)

Nikolai Miaskovsky (Russia, 1881): Quartet 11 (1949)

Artur Schnabel (Austria, 1882): Sonata violin solo (1919)

Charles Griffes (USA, 1884): The Kairn of Koridwen (1916)

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Herbert Howells (Britain, 1892): Stabat Mater (1965)

Hilding Rosenberg (Sweden, 1892): Symphony 4 (1940)

Hilding Rosenberg (Sweden, 1892): Symphony 5 (1944)

Hilding Rosenberg (Sweden, 1892): Symphony 6 (1951)

Laszlo Lajtha (Hungary, 1892): Symphony 7 (1957)

Rued Langgaard (Denmark, 1893): Music Of The Spheres (1918)

Lili Boulanger (France, 1893): Psalm 130 (1917)

Leo Ornstein (Russia, 1893): Quintet piano (1927)

Aaron Avshalomoff (Russia, 1894): Flute concerto (1948) SU

Irwin Schulhoff (Czech, 1894): Symphony 5 (1939)

Borys Lyatoshinsky (Ukraine, 1895): Symphony 2 (1936)

Roger Sessions (USA, 1896): "When Lilacs" (1970)

Josip Stolcer-Slavenski (Croatia, 1896): Chaos (1932)

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Josip Stolcer-Slavenski (Croatia, 1896): Sinfonija Orijenta (1934)

Josip Stolcer-Slavenski (Croatia, 1896): Sonata for violin and organ (1922)

Roger Sessions (USA, 1896): Symphony 7 (1967)

Knudage Riisager (Denmark, 1897): Qarrtsiluni (1942)

Harald Saeverud (Norway, 1897): Symphony 7 (1944)

Harald Saeverud (Norway, 1897): Symphony 9 (1965)

Alexander Tcherepnin (Russia, 1899): Concerto piano 5 (1963)

Jon Leifs (Iceland, 1899): Fine (1963) ISL

Jon Leifs (Iceland, 1899): Saga Symphony (1942)

Ernst Krenek (Germany, 1900): Piano Concerto 2 (1938)

Uuno Klami (Finland, 1900): Symphony 1 (1938)

Henri Sauguet (France, 1901): Concerto piano 1 (1933)

Edmiund Rubbra (Britain, 1901): Symphony 9 Sacra (1972)

Berthold Goldschmidt (Germany, 1903): Cello concerto (1953)

Berthold Goldschmidt (Germany, 1903): Quartet 2 (1936)

Berthold Goldschmidt (Germany, 1903): Violin concerto (1955)

Jean Langlais (France, 1907): Suite Medievale (1948)

Wolfgang Fortner (Germany, 1907): Symphony (1947)

Sandor Veress (Hungary, 1907): Symphony 2 Minneapolitana (1952)

Ahmet Adnan Saygun (Turkey, 1907): Symphony 3 (1960)

Herman David Koppel (Denmark, 1908): Moses (1964)

Leroy Anderson (USA, 1908): The Syncopated Clock, the Typewriter and Sandpaper ballet, USA

Ljubica Maric (Serbia, 1909): Byzantine Concerto (1959) YU

Vagn Holmboe (Denmark, 1909): Chamber concerto 13 (1956)

Vagn Holmboe (Denmark, 1909): Liber Canticorum (1967)

Vagn Holmboe (Denmark, 1909): Quartet 11 Rustico (1972)

Vagn Holmboe (Denmark, 1909): Quartet 17 Mattinata (1982)

Vagn Holmboe (Denmark, 1909): Quartet 20 Notturno (1985)

Vagn Holmboe (Denmark, 1909): Requiem for Nietzsche (1964)

Vagn Holmboe (Denmark, 1909): Symphony 8 (1952)

Allan Pettersson (Sweden, 1911): Symphony 10 (1971)

Allan Pettersson (Sweden, 1911): Symphony 12 (1974)

Allan Pettersson (Sweden, 1911): Symphony 13 (1976)

Allan Pettersson (Sweden, 1911): Symphony 16 (1979)

Jan Cikker (Slovakia, 1911): Symphony 3 "Symfonia 1945" (1974)

Allan Pettersson (Sweden, 1911): Symphony 9 (1970)

Igor Markevitch (Russia, 1912): L'envol d'Icare (1933)

Tauno Marttinen (Finland, 1912): Violin Concerto (1962) FL

Tauno Marttinen (Finland, 1912): Violin Concerto (1962)

Stjepan Sulek (Croatia, 1914): Symphony 6 (1966)

George Perle (USA, 1915): Concerto piano 2 (1992)

Douglas Lilburn (New Zealand, 1915): Symphony 3 (1961)

Mordechai Seter (Russia, 1916): Jerusalem (1968)

Arnold Van Wyk (South Africa, 1916): Primavera (1960)

Karl-Birger Blomdahl (Sweden, 1916): Symphony 3 (1950)

Isang Yun (Korea, 1917): Clarinet Quintet 1 (1991) Korea

Rudolf Bruci (Serbia, 1917): Symphony 2 Lesta (1965)

Talivaldis Kenins (Latvia, 1919): Concerto for five percussionists (1983)

Talivaldis Kenins (Latvia, 1919): Concerto for fourteen instruments (1982)

Talivaldis Kenins (Latvia, 1919): Piano Quartet 2 (1979)

Talivaldis Kenins (Latvia, 1919): Symphony 6 (1978)

Talivaldis Kenins (Latvia, 1919): Symphony 8 (1986)

Torbjorn Lundquist (Sweden, 1920): Symphony 3 (1976)

Karel Husa (Czech, 1921): Concerto violin (1993)

Malcom Arnold (Britain, 1921): Quartet 2 (1975) UK

Zvonimir Ciglic (Slovenia, 1921): Sinfonia Appassionata (1948)

Andrew Imbrie (USA, 1921): Symphony 3 (1970)

Primoz Ramovs (Slovenia, 1921): Symphony 4 (1968)

Robert Simpson (Britain, 1921): Symphony 5 (1972)

Robert Simpson (Britain, 1921): Symphony 9 (1987)

Edvard Mirzoyan (Armenia, 1921): Symphony for Timpani and Strings (1962)

Karel Goeyvaerts (Belgium, 1923): Aquarius (1991)

Karel Goeyvaerts (Belgium, 1923): Litanies (1982) Belgium

Harold Blumenfeld (USA, 1923): Seasons in Hell (1994)

Ake Hermanson (Sweden, 1923): Symphony 1 (1967)

Vasilije Mokranjac (Serbia, 1923): Symphony 4 (date????)

Ake Hermanson (Sweden, 1923): Symphony 4 Oceanus (1983)

Vasilije Mokranjac (Serbia, 1923): Symphony 5 (date????)

Joly BragaSantos (Portugal, 1924): Concerto D (1951)

Robert Starer (Austria, 1924): Concerto for Viola, Strings and Percussion (1959)

Egil Hoviolin (Norway, 1924): Concerto trombone (1972)

Egil Hoviolin (Norway, 1924): Concerto violin (1974)

Enriko Josif (Serbia, 1924): Symphony 2 in one movement (1964)

Joly BragaSantos (Portugal, 1924): Symphony 4 (1948)

Joly BragaSantos (Portugal, 1924): Symphony 5 (1965)

Konstantin Iliev (Bulgaria, 1924): Symphony 6 (1984)

Robert Starer (Austria, 1924): Violin Concerto (1981)

Andrei Eshpai (Russia, 1925): Symphony 5 (1987)

Mikis Theodorakis (Greece, 1925): Symphony 7 (1982)

Gyorgy Kurtag (Hungary, 1926): Kafka Fragments (1996)

Oldrich Korte (Czech, 1926): Piano sonata (1953)

Ben Johnston (USA, 1926): Suite & Sonata for Microtonal Piano (1977)

Aleksandar Obradovic (Serbia, 1927): Mikrosimfonija (1967)

Pascal Bentoiu (Romania, 1927): Symphony 5

Einojuhani Rautavaara (Finland, 1928): Angel Of Light (1994)

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Samuel Adler (USA, 1928): Cantos for Solo Instruments (1970)

Samuel Adler (USA, 1928): Concerto 2 (1997)

Peter Sacco (USA, 1928): Concerto piano 1 (1964) US

Nicolas Flagello (USA, 1928): Concerto piano 3 (1962)

Kamillo Lendvay (Hungary, 1928): Saxophone Concerto (1996)

Nicolas Flagello (USA, 1928): Symphony 1 (1967)

Toshiro Mayuzumi (Japan, 1929): Showa Tempyio Raku (1970)

Avet Terterian (Armenia, 1929): Symphony 3 (1975)

James Yannatos (USA, 1929): Trinity Mass (1984) US

Toru Takemitsu (Japan, 1930): A Flock Descends Into The Pentagonal Garden (1977)

Robert Ashley (USA, 1930): Atalanta (1982)

Toru Takemitsu (Japan, 1930): Cassiopeia (1971)

Miki Minoru (Japan, 1930): Concerto requiem (1982)

Toru Takemitsu (Japan, 1930): From Me Flows What You Call Time (1990)

Toru Takemitsu (Japan, 1930): Nostalgia (1987)

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Jozsef Soproni (Hungary, 1930): Symphony 3

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Xavier Benguerel (Spain, 1931): Llibre Vermell (1987)

Charles Camilleri (Malta, 1931): Missa Mundi (1972)

Ib Norholm (Denmark, 1931): Symphony 2 (1971) Denmark

Donald Martino (USA, 1931): triplo concerto (1977)

Rodion Shchedrin (Russia, 1932): Concerto piano 3 (1973)

Bronius Kutavicius (Lithuania, 1932): Last Pagan Rites (1978)

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Rodion Shchedrin (Russia, 1932): Sealed Angel per coro (1988)

Ida Gotkovsky (France, 1933): Alto Saxophone Concerto (1966)

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Tiet Ton-That (Vietnam, 1933): Jardins d'Autre Monde (1996)

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Udo Zimmermann (Germany, 1934): Sinfonia Come Un Gran Lamento (1977)

Giya Kancheli (Georgia, 1935): Lament (1994)

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Giya Kancheli (Georgia, 1935): Symphony 7 (1986)

Jocy Oliveira (Brazil, 1936): Illud Tempus (1994) BR

Valentin Silvestrov (Ukraine, 1937) : Symphony 5 (1983)

Dubravko Detoni (Croatia, 1937): Forgotten music for String Quartet (1981)

Osvaldas Balakauskas (Lithuania, 1937): Ostrobothnian Symphony (1989)

Dubravko Detoni (Croatia, 1937): Piano Concerto (1989)

Osvaldas Balakauskas (Lithuania, 1937): Symphony 2 (1979)

John Harbison (USA, 1938): Concerto violin (1980)

JeanClaude Eloy (France, 1938): Kamakala (1971)

JeanClaude Eloy (France, 1938): Kshara-Akshara (1974)

Gloria Coates (USA, 1938): Music on Open Strings (1978)

JeanClaude Eloy (France, 1938): Shanti (1975)

Virko Baley (Ukraine, 1938): Symphony 1 (1999)

John Harbison (USA, 1938): Symphony 3 (1990)

Thomas Beveridge (USA, 1938): Yizkor Requiem (1996) USA

Milan Bachorek (Czech, 1939): Stereophonietta (1977)

Louis Andriessen (Holland, 1939): De Materie (1988)

Louis Andriessen (Holland, 1939): The Death of a Composer (1994)

Dao Nguyen-Thien (Vietnam, 1940): Koskom (1971)

Dao Nguyen-Thien (Vietnam, 1940): Piano Concerto (1984)

Yevhen Stankovich (Ukraine, 1942): Siunfonia delle pastorali (1977)

David Maslanka (USA, 1943): A Child's Garden of Dreams (1981)

David Maslanka (USA, 1943): Concerto for Alto Saxophone and Wind Ensemble (1999)

David Maslanka (USA, 1943): Concerto for Piano, Winds and Percussion (1974)

Robin Holloway (Britain, 1943): Concerto violin (94)

Heinz Gruber (Germany, 1943): Frankenstein (1978)

David Maslanka (USA, 1943): Mass (1992)

David Maslanka (USA, 1943): Oboe sonata (1992)

David Maslanka (USA, 1943): Quintet 2 (1986)

David Maslanka (USA, 1943): Symphony 4 (1993)

David Matthews (Britain, 1943): Symphony 4 (1993)

David Maslanka (USA, 1943): Symphony 5 (2000)

Shinichiro Ikebe (Japan, 1943): Symphony 6 (1993)

PehrHenrik Nordgren (Denmark, 1944): Concerto violin 4 (1994)

Frank Corcoran (Ireland, 1944): Symphony 4 (1996) EIRE

Hugues Dufourt (France, 1945): Erewhon (1976)

Gerard Grisey (France, 1946): Derives pour deux groupes d'orchestre (1974)

Gerard Grisey (France, 1946): Epilogue pour quatre cors soli et grand orchestre (1985)

Gerard Grisey (France, 1946): Jour Contre-jour (1979)

Gerard Grisey (France, 1946): Le Noir de l'Etoile (1990)

Gerard Grisey (France, 1946): Le Temps et l'Ecume (1989)

Peteris Vasks (Latvia, 1946): Symphony for strings (1991)

Gerard Grisey (France, 1946): Transitoires pour Grand Orchestre (1981)

Michael Finnissy (Britain, 1946): WAM (1991)

Salvatore Sciarrino (Italy, 1947): Amore e Psiche (1972)

Salvatore Sciarrino (Italy, 1947): Arpocrate (1979)

John Adams (USA, 1947): Chamber Symphony (1993)

Nikolai Korndorf (Russia, 1947): Hymns I-III (1990)

JeanLouis Florentz (France, 1947): Laudes (1985)

Salvatore Sciarrino (Italy, 1947): Lohengrin (1984)

Anders Eliasson (Sweden, 1947): Symphony 1 (1987)

Frano Parac (Croatia, 1948): Symphony (1992)

Mikko Heinio (Finland, 1948): The Knight And The Dragon (2000) FL

Kalevi Aho (Finland, 1949): Bassoon Quintet (1994)

Raimo Kangro (Estonia, 1949): Concert piano 2 (1999)

Christopher Rouse (USA, 1949): Concerto trombone (1992)

Poul Ruders (Denmark, 1949): Corpus cum Figuris (1985)

Michael Levinas (France, 1949): Les Rires de Gilles (1981)

Kalevi Aho (Finland, 1949): Oboe Quintet (1973)

Poul Ruders (Denmark, 1949): Solar Trilogy (1992)

Kalevi Aho (Finland, 1949): Symphony 10 (1996)

Kalevi Aho (Finland, 1949): Symphony 4 (1973)

Kalevi Aho (Finland, 1949): Symphony 7 (1988)

Kalevi Aho (Finland, 1949): Symphony 8 (1993)

Carl Rutti (USA, 1949): Verena Die Quelle (1995)

Ethan Haimo (USA, 1950): Sonata piano (1986)

Rick Sowash (USA, 1950): Sunny Days for trio (1994)

(Sumera Estonia, 1950): Symphony 4 (1992)

Olivier Knussen (Britain, 1952): Concerto corno (1994)

Kaija Saariaho (Finland, 1952): From The Grammar Of Dreams (1996) SF

Philippe Chamouard (France, 1952): Symphonie Tibetaine (1997)

Richard Einhorn (USA, 1952): Voices of Light (1995)

Akira Nishimura (Japan, 1953): Concerto cello (1990)

Daniel Asia (USA, 1953): Concerto piano #3 (1983)

Giorgio Battistelli (Italy, 1953): Experimentum Mundi (1981)

Giorgio Battistelli (Italy, 1953): Impressions d'Afrique (2000)

Wendy Chambers (USA, 1953): Mass for Mass Trombones (1993)

Wendy Chambers (USA, 1953): Symphony Of The Universe (1989)

Wendy Chambers (USA, 1953): The Grand Harp Event (1984)

Wendy Chambers (USA, 1953): Twelve Squared (1994)

Tobias Picker (USA, 1954): Piano Concerto 2 (1983)

Benedict Mason (Britain, 1954): String Quartet 1 (1987)

Anders Hillborg (Sweden, 1954): Violin concerto (1992)

Michael Denhoff (Germany, 1955): Mallarme` Quartets (2000) D

Richard Danielpour (USA, 1956): American Requiem (2001) US

Steven Mackey (USA, 1956): Ravenshead (1998)

Jouni Kaipainen (Finland, 1956): Symphony 1 (1985)

Jouni Kaipainen (Finland, 1956): Symphony 2 (1994)

Sebastian Currier (USA, 1959): Theo's Notebook (1992)

Alexander Shchetynsky (Ukraine, 1960): Annunciation (1998)

Michael Torke (USA, 1961): Color Music (1985)

Lowell Liebermann (USA, 1961): Concerto piano 2 (1995)

Michael Torke (USA, 1961): Music on the floor (1992)

MarcDalbavie -Andre (France, 1961): Seuils (1993)

Nicolas Bacri (France, 1961): Sinfonia 3 (1988)

Nicolas Bacri (France, 1961): Sinfonia 4 (1996)

Thomas Ades (Britain, 1971): Asyla (1997) UK

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No Don, I'm not really into classical. I enjoy it and listen to the local classical hour bit on our NPR station every day, but much prefer jazz, rock, funk, alt-country. The list came from this site, which has alot more as well, it's supposed to be a "best of/modern guide" type listing:

 

http://www.scaruffi.com/music/modern.html

 

He also has some other pages on jazz and other genres.

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Elgar Concerto is amazing.

 

yup, amazing. gut-wrenching...

 

 

Dvorak

 

...the finest.

 

 

 

ever hear either of the Martinu concertos? pretty nice. i had the great pleasure of catching the 2nd live in Munich once. a highlight..

 

btw, i 'amazon-sampled' the Weinberg - it sounds superb. i'm gonna buy it.

 

cheers, don

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whew... i wondered where the time came from...

not to mention the fortitude (most modern music isn't much to my taste).

 

which brings to mind:

one of my favorite late 20th century composers happened to live and work in Seattle for most of his life: Alan Hovhaness. he only died a few years back. a very tuneful, spiritual composer. i'd recommend the Seattle Symphony/Gerard Schwarz recording of the Mount St. Helens Symphony to anyone with even the slightest interest in classical music. and yes, it IS 'about' the volcano. the drumming in the eruption sequence is awesome...

 

cheers, don

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I much prefer jazz, rock, funk, alt-country.

 

 

so, to turn to alt-country, let me pitch family friend and frequent dinner guest, Kent McAlister:

http://www.kentmcalister.com/

have a listen...

 

they're all highly talented guys, and they're just about to get their 'big break' - they're opening for Johnny Cash's Band in Calgary at the beginning of May.

 

ain't music fun?

 

cheers, don

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