Stonehead Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 Uh...isn't it that the Right supports Capitalism but not necessarily democracy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 the guy was voted in. Â not once but multiple times in spite of our funding of a recall. it'd probably be difficult to find a more representative gvt in latin america today. Â Oh yea -that "national interest" thing. Read - oil. Â oh! you mean it's not the defense of individual liberty ... pinochet style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 and you think your rightwing-goon-finger-pointing-on-the-internet style makes you look like what? Â hey dipshit, you are not going to answer my question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 I thought the right-wing supported democracy - the guy was voted in. End of story. Â Â ...So was Adolph Hitler. It's only the 'end of the story' when they face reelection...and relinquish power when they lose. I gave a weak salute to Daniel Ortega for doing just this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Oh - I keep forgetting it's our job to tell other countries how to run their own. And I'm as worried as you that Venezuela will roll into Brazil unobstructed! Then where will we be?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 i have always been clear about what i stood for: i am for agrarian reform... Â ...like Pal Pot? Mao? Mugabe? Â In at least two of these instances, "agrarian reform" was shortly followed by the appearance of mass graves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 chavez won the vote in 1998, 2000 et 2004 with ~60% of the vote so i am not sure what you are talking about.  Venezuela's Voters Have Spoken Hugo Chávez won fair and square.  BY JIMMY CARTER  and hitler came to power with ~ 1/3 of the vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Why did EU election officials boycott the 2004 vote in Venezuela? Because they were denied the means by which they could uphold the veracity of the final count! Â ...By the Chavez government. Â But I'm glad to hear that Jimmy could handle things all by himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 ...like Pal Pot? Mao? Mugabe? Â In at least two of these instances, "agrarian reform" was shortly followed by the appearance of mass graves. Â the most amazing part is that someone supporting regimes that have murdered 100,000's in latin america would make such remarks. Â and for the record i have never supported any such regimes or any other that look like them. there, it's settled, we can move away from the smears and the wingnut rhetoric! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Pat Robertson's baloney spin denial and then eventual embarassed capitulation and apology today were things of beauty to behold. Gotta wonder what drugs the fellow is on, or is he just becoming senile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 the choir of "it was inappropriate" was priceless as well. i wonder if in the future, hatemongers calling for the murder of elected officials will receive notes from the fbi calling them on their "inappropriate" remarks. Â so will the FTC investigate? or is janet jackson's boob a greater threat to family values? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markinore Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 I am struck by the relative reticence of many Christian leaders to denounce Robertson. This is especially true in light of calls for Muslims leaders to denounce other Muslims who advocate violence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selkirk Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Is there any greater threat to family values than religions that espouse blind, unquestioning, unreasoning, faith in one individuals interperation of the holy texts and how they apply to the world above all else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Do as I say, not as I do. that's what I say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 They'll politely say the guy is a looney but they nevertheless agree with him (like fairweather did). More than religion per se it's 21th century 'manifest destiny'. They insist in continuing to see latin america as their backyard which is probably not possible anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foraker Posted August 25, 2005 Author Share Posted August 25, 2005 i loved the white house response as it being 'inappropriate'. loosely translated as: 'jeebus, pat, we agree but don't say it on TV!' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Note that they do not take the Lord's name in vain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foraker Posted August 25, 2005 Author Share Posted August 25, 2005 except when they're all huddled in their cave crying 'oh, lord, please smite our enemies'....asking god to do your killing for you. hmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Gravity gets us all in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 PI editorial, i am impressed!  http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/237862_pated.asp  Thursday, August 25, 2005  Extreme Politics: American fatwa  SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER EDITORIAL BOARD  When they're talking in their hard-to-learn native language to devoted followers, religious extremists feel free to say some pretty horrifying things on TV in the Middle East. And the Middle West, both coasts and the rest of the United States.  There are varying levels of obscenity in televangelist Pat Robertson's suggestion that an elected Latin American president, Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, should be killed. Robertson's already trying to back off, claiming that his phrase "take him out" could mean a lot of things. You bet. It's sort of like the fight over the meaning of "is."  Come on. The meaning was clear. Robertson's "700 Club" show (although carried by ABC Family Channel) deserves a soft-core, single-X rating for trying to revive the U.S. practice of targeting foreign leaders for assassination. Consider the show a harsher double-X for the way it will suggest to some around the world that Christianity might be a religion rooted in blood lust rather than charity.  But mark his broadcast XXX for its explicit depiction of extremist influence in American political life. Robertson was a legitimate candidate for the Republican presidential nomination. In 1988, Washington state sent the most pro-Robertson delegation to the party's national convention in New Orleans.  Night after night, Robertson prattles on over national TV, promoting a bizarre view of world news. He's not the only embarrassingly extreme religious-political manipulator in the world, but he's ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Gravity sounds like the Assman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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