scrambled_legs Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 What would you recommend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrambled_legs Posted May 6, 2005 Author Share Posted May 6, 2005 There's a store closing out that has a North Face Apex Bionic Jacket for $128. I'm not a big fan of TNF but if I do need a soft shell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RideT61 Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 Good deal if it were a true softshell. Unless I'm mistaken that jacket is made with a laminate and will therefore be waterproof but no more breathable (and probably less so) than most hardshells. If you need a softshell, make sure it is one by blowing through it and making sure you can feel some air on the other side. If you can't, your just buying a heavy, soft feeling hardshell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RideT61 Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 I like the Marmot ATV, but anything made of Shoeller Dryskin is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 Check these out - custom made. Got my wife one a couple years back and myself one this year. Excellent product. Â http://www.beyondfleece.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SethWhite Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 the apex bionic has a weatherbloc laminant in it making it 100%wind proof but not fully water proof. not good for aerobic activities its more of a jacket for around town looking like you're into the outdoors. but also made by tnf is the apex magic jacket which is made with apex universal rather than the weatherbloc. it is about 80% wind proof and extremely water resistant. not as warm as the bionic but an excellent soft shell non the less. it has completely welded seams and has more of a performance fit rather than the standard fit of the bionic. hope that helps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SethWhite Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 oh and the apex bionic retails for $129 so a sale of $128 doesn't save you a whole lot! the Apex magic runs at $149 and carries a lifetime warrantee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_Simpkins Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 I like the Patagonia stuff and the Mountain Hardware stuff. They are having a sale on the MH stuff at Bellingham Footworks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonathanjarrett Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 Check out Mammut's soft shell collection. They are pricey but generally top of the line without the silly bells and whistles that come on some pieces. I have a Laser Jacket (hooded) which is excellent. Their New Age Jacket does not have a hood, and it is also an excellent choice. Both are Schoeller fabric, the former WB 400, the latter dryskin-extreme. If you are looking for softshell pants, my favorite is their Courmayeur pant. Their Champ pant is also great. Both are schoeller fabrics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macson Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=apex...r&scoring=p  I have a montbell roche jacket and like it, but it was a bit more than what the NF stuff is going for now. Also have a golite covert, but I don't like the way it fits as well. It's not a very athletic cut...kinda boxy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBC Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 The Ibex 'Climawool' softshells are very nice, and have a very wide comfort range. They have a number of closeout models on their website right now. Â Jim Couch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Crash Posted May 8, 2005 Share Posted May 8, 2005 Cloudveil and Mammut both make top of the line clothes at about the same price; they heavily use Schoeller fabrics (all my soft shells are of the Dryskin variety except my Marmot one which has been recycled to in town clothing as it is always either too hot or not windproof enough). They differ in details (some of the Cloudveil tops have a nicer fit, Mammut have better functional details in some garments, like thumb loops and reinforced knees; my Cloudveil Switchback pants are not reinforced). Check these out. FF carries both, 2nd Ascent has the Mammut ones (though thanks to a mis-shipment they only have very big pants sizes right now!). Â In my book, anything with laminate is not a true softshellm but opinions varies. If you're interested to try a fancy multi fabrics garment, Marmot has one which uses different fabrics for different panels: windproof laminate in front, something heavier for the shoulders to guard against rain, something very breathable for the back (usually protected under a pack), etc... This might work for you. Â Patagonia has some cool winter softshell pants, the Super Guide I think, with nice features like integrated gaiters and real crampon patch. Haven't tried them outside the store though. Â drC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrambled_legs Posted June 11, 2005 Author Share Posted June 11, 2005 I passed on the TNF and I wanted to go with Mammut but there are no dealers in town. I am looking at the Arcteryx gamma sv. Anyone have any beta on this and what do you use for a hood? I've only seen a couple soft shells with a hood so far and they don't seem very popular. How do you keep your head dry... and yes I'm made of sugar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelle Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 My question is what you need a hood for since soft shells really don't keep you dry? They just dry fast and breathe better. In my experience they only work well in snow, and then for a "hood" I use a hat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordop Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 My question is what you need a hood for since soft shells really don't keep you dry? They just dry fast and breathe better. In my experience they only work well in snow, and then for a "hood" I use a hat. Skiing and ice climbing below zero, no hat is gonna keep the shit outta yer face or down yer neck, and keep warmth in, &c., &c., &c. Manufacturers who DO NOT make hooded sofshells are missing the ONLY real application for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylou Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 I think softshells are really cool, but given the weight and water repellency of them, I tend to wear mine in town, and use more traditional things like Dri Climes and puffy coats and whatnot in the mountains. The two SS things I very consistently use in the woods are a hat and gloves. I revitalize both with wash-in DWR stuff often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 softshell hoods are useless, hoods are for rain, softshell = not for rain.  just wear a toque you pansies  I think softshells are really cool, but given the weight and water repellency of them, I tend to wear mine in town  i'm certain the same argument is used by soccer moms to explain why their H2 never goes on a dirt road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordop Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 softshell hoods are useless, hoods are for rain, softshell = not for rain. The there are those people who ski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 Softshell pants work pretty darn good for skiing. I have a pullover top too, but its more of a windshirt than anything else. (no really ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 softshell hoods are useless, hoods are for rain, softshell = not for rain. The there are those people who ski  How much time do you spend skiing on your head or in neck deep powder anyhow (rhetorical) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordop Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 softshell hoods are useless, hoods are for rain, softshell = not for rain. The there are those people who ski  How much time do you spend skiing on your head or in neck deep powder anyhow (rhetorical)  ppfff you don't have enough Canada West ski courses or Patagonia hooded soft shells to be engaging in an argument about skiing in shitstorms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 We all know you know everything Dru, so maybe you don't need to say anything about skiing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 If skiing is so cool why aren't you skiing right now, you could be schralping fresh summer organic field corn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 Climbing tomorrow; graduation bbq tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 Kindergarten? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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