sk Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 quote: Originally posted by iain: you look so patriotic with that stars and stripes bandanna. how sweet of you to notice Iain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To_The_Top Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 Ptarmigan ridge on Rainier, it gets done a few times a year when its in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skisports Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 P-Ridge I would recemend that route even if you weren't a "hardman". Its a damn good route in my book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To_The_Top Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Skisports: P-Ridge I would recemend that route even if you weren't a "hardman". Its a damn good route in my book Yes not the Willis Wall, I respect those who have gone up P-Ridge, just trying to keep it reasonable and not totally extreme. On the list in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skisports Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 Very ture... Â So what is Hard man... Was Becky a hard man well he couldn't climb anything over 5.9 but in my book he is one of the greatest hardmen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric8 Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 Becky was a hardman. Hasn't he put up some 5.10 routes or did he aid those? I think the ultimate hardman challenge has to be something in the pickets. If your going to use modern gear then it has to be in winter. If your going to use army surplus gear and wear wool, you can be hard like becky and do it in summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billygoat Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 Aren't Becky class fours like todays 5.8s?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambone Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 my thoughts exactly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Tricky Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 I heard a rumor that the Tooth may go free, but be careful--Cavey jealously gaurds his project and will rain insults and boulders down upon any hardman foolish enough to attempt to scoop him. Â But seriously, if you want a challenge, how bout trying to onsight all the cracks on midnight rock in a day? Â [ 11-18-2002, 12:07 PM: Message edited by: Uncle Tricky ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimL Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 I think there are hardmen test pieces that are doable and get done once or twice a year, maybe more. Then I think there is a catagory of hardmen climbs all on there own that get barely ever get repeated. Â [ 11-18-2002, 12:36 PM: Message edited by: TimL ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 Just Do It Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 DFA, I think it does have to be an alpine route. Smith does have some seriously hard sport stuff, but its not quintessential NW, which historically speaking must involve more fear and suffering. Â Some of the suggested unrepeated routes might meet the requirements, but I almost think the measure is one of volume rather than difficulty. Technical routes, sure, but lots of them over time. Repeating NF of Inspiration might make you a one hit wonder, but it wouldn't put you at the same level as Beckey, Doorish, or those darn Skoogs. I think its a certain boneheaded insistence in the face of all the obstacles the mountains of the NW have to offer. One things for sure though, if you care about about being a NW hardman, you're probably automatically disqualified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Off White: One things for sure though, if you care about about being a NW hardman, you're probably automatically disqualified. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 Mt Triumph. North Face Central Rib. In Winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Off White: DFA, I think it does have to be an alpine route. Smith does have some seriously hard sport stuff, but its not quintessential NW, which historically speaking must involve more fear and suffering. OK ... Vicious Fish. In July, midday, in an 8000 meter suit, wool mittens, a swim cap, snowshoes, and only pitons for pro, belayed by the first available tourist from the parking lot. Â That should up the fear and suffering quotient to acceptable levels, yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt_clipper Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 vicious Fish aint hard nuff. Do To Bold or Not To Be on pins and RPs, no ice tools, but with the other apparel described above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 quote: Originally posted by iain: quote:Originally posted by Off White: One things for sure though, if you care about about being a NW hardman, you're probably automatically disqualified. Bingo. I think Tex is less looking for any kind of noteriety, and more looking for a challeging peice to challenge himself on. Something to train for work twords and lookforword to. sk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottP Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 quote: Originally posted by iain: layton I'm not sure what your image is but it's disgusting It looks like the Jeep from the old Popeye cartoons doing some funky pushups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 1) Yellow Bird with nuts only and in hiking boots  2) Russian routes on Inspiration and Bonanza  3) Nooksack Ridge traverse from tower to Shuksan  4) Navigator Wall, Slesse  5) Eve Dearborn Memorial  6) Drury Falls  7) tele ski descent of NF Shuksan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COL._Von_Spanker Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Skisports: Very ture... Â So what is Hard man... Was Becky a hard man well he couldn't climb anything over 5.9 but in my book he is one of the greatest hardmen. Ron Jeremy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregm Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Jens: I would have to agree with Dr.Ben Krazy.  The route would include steep snow ice aid mixed skiing free rock  And you'd get Brownie points for chopping a swimming hole in Lake Serene and taking a skiiny dip. i think hardman route status should include hellish approach factors; serious bushwacking, be it long or vertical. the pickets come to mind.  has anyone mentioned nooksack tower yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeclimb9 Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 quote: Originally posted by texplorer: what other climbs I have to check off before I can call myself a true NW Hardman. Oh, to be "a true NW Hardman" you'll actually have to blow off the whole NW scene, diss the area and the local climbers, and move to Chamonix. Littering GU packets while climbing is also required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billygoat Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 That sounds like a twight profile. That's all ancient history What is the new iconoclastic hero profile Who is leading the new boundry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimL Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 quote: Originally posted by gregm: quote:Originally posted by Jens: I would have to agree with Dr.Ben Krazy.  The route would include steep snow ice aid mixed skiing free rock  And you'd get Brownie points for chopping a swimming hole in Lake Serene and taking a skiiny dip. i think hardman route status should include hellish approach factors; serious bushwacking, be it long or vertical. the pickets come to mind.  has anyone mentioned nooksack tower yet? Alpine climbing seems to be so the "in" thing on this funny site. And its not that I almost always prefer climbing in the mountains to climbing at the crags, but I think crag pitches should be included. Even bolted crag pitches. I would by far consider some of the harder Index pitches to be hardman test pieces. I would also think that some of the hard bolted pitches at Smith to be hard man routes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 real alpin hardman is too trad to sportclimb also the lycra makes his legs look too fat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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