wfinley Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 I'm going out for 10 days - I have 20 lbs of food... am I too heavy? This weight does not include fuel, camping or climbing gear... only food. We're not doing a technical route -- just mellow glaciated climbs where we'll be dropping loads and setting camp before it gets steep. What's your weight when you're out for a while? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkemp Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Sounds about right. HC aint light! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lummox Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 yeah. you are too fat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 2 pounds of GU and cookie dough per day sounds like enough calories to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ade Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 How cold is it going to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelle Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 How many people you feeding with that 20#? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macson Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Impossible to answer your question with the info you provide. Are you talking about 20 lbs of all dehydrated food? Whats that like 10,000 calories a day? Way too much. Or is it 20 lbs of canned pork and beans? Â Add up the calories you're taking. I like to have 4-6000 calories a day when I'm climbing, and around 2500 a day sitting around camp. If you're going out for that long, I'm sure you know how many calories YOU need for the amount of work you're doing. By the way, running out of food on day 7 or 8 will really suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dberdinka Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 2 lbs a day sounds pretty fair for an extended trip in the mountains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wfinley Posted March 31, 2005 Author Share Posted March 31, 2005 OK... here's more info. Flying into the Chugach for 9 days - but we're bringing 2 extra days of food in case of stroms.. This 20lbs is only my food. IMO it's a tad bit heavy - but we are base camping it. However I'm trying to get it as close to a real trip as possible b/c I leave on another trip right afterwards. The second trip will be Blackburn - so we'll have to carry loads and I want to be fairly light. Thus this food planning serves as training for the next trip. There are certain things I could cut to make it lighter for a longer carrying trip (like only eat oatmeal instead of granola and nix the extra bagof gatoraid) but I'm wondering how much weight others carry. Not interested in the Twight 'carry only Gu and crank method' - more along the lines of long glacier plods and what people carry for those.  Typical meal / days consists of:  Breakfast: nutrigrain bar / oatmeal / coffee Lunch: 1 logan bread bar / 1 candy bar / 1 powerbar / misc (gu or something) Dinner: 1 packet miso / chicken with dehydrated potatoes, stuffing & corn / one handful chocolate  Calories end up being about 6000. Maybe little more. (Never been so good at counting).  What do you eat per day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary_Yngve Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 OK... here's more info. Flying into the Chugach for 9 days - but we're bringing 2 extra days of food in case of stroms.. This 20lbs is only my food. IMO it's a tad bit heavy - but we are base camping it. However I'm trying to get it as close to a real trip as possible b/c I leave on another trip right afterwards. The second trip will be Blackburn - so we'll have to carry loads and I want to be fairly light. Thus this food planning serves as training for the next trip. There are certain things I could cut to make it lighter for a longer carrying trip (like only eat oatmeal instead of granola and nix the extra bagof gatoraid) but I'm wondering how much weight others carry. Not interested in the Twight 'carry only Gu and crank method' - more along the lines of long glacier plods and what people carry for those. Typical meal / days consists of:  Breakfast: nutrigrain bar / oatmeal / coffee Lunch: 1 logan bread bar / 1 candy bar / 1 powerbar / misc (gu or something) Dinner: 1 packet miso / chicken with dehydrated potatoes, stuffing & corn / one handful chocolate  Calories end up being about 6000. Maybe little more. (Never been so good at counting).  What do you eat per day?  In the words of Mark Twight, "In the time you spent counting calories, you could have been TRAINING!"  More seriously, the sample meal you posted looks more like 3000 calories, not 6000.  Since you're doing two trips back to back, I'd actually not use this trip as a test of your systems. I'd bring plenty of food, and fresh tasty food at that. Enjoy it while you can. When you need to go light, you can skimp on quality. You want to stay well nourished on your first trip so that you will be at 100% for your second. On the latter trip, you can abuse your body.  Four a six-day trip with no desire for pleasure, I've done: two pounds of couscous six Clif bars oatmeal for six days two sandwiches w/ Munster cheese per day a foot of HC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 One pound of food a day is plenty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_a Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 It might be worth the trouble to track down a copy of the NOLS cookery book- it has excellent weight and calorie breakdowns in it so you know exactly what to bring to get a certain number of calories each day. Thats what I've used in the past on longer trips and it has worked out very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Typical meal / days consists of: Breakfast: nutrigrain bar / oatmeal / coffee Lunch: 1 logan bread bar / 1 candy bar / 1 powerbar / misc (gu or something) Dinner: 1 packet miso / chicken with dehydrated potatoes, stuffing & corn / one handful chocolate  This sounds very low calorie to me, certainly not 6000. I classically underpack for food, on almost all trips I have to mooch off climbing partners to avoid starving it seems, but even I would be throwing in a couple more items to this list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wfinley Posted March 31, 2005 Author Share Posted March 31, 2005 This sounds very low calorie to me, certainly not 6000. I classically underpack for food, on almost all trips I have to mooch off climbing partners to avoid starving it seems, but even I would be throwing in a couple more items to this list. Â Hmmm... perhaps this is why I am always so hungry. Â The servings are pretty ample (my logan bread is more like a logan brick); I always plan on being hungry but not starving. Regarding the planning stages - I have two weeks inbetween trips - I'll gain back that weight at the local pub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kfoxpnw Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 I would agree to get your hands on the NOLS cookery. As it says in the book, people tend to eat 1.5lbs per person per day in summer basecamping, 1.75 ppd, in summer backpacking, and 2 ppd mountaineering. You can add weight in the form of fats and hot drinks if it will be cold. This is before the weight of spice kit, oil etc. Also something to think about is that people tend to have less of an appetite in the first week and then it picks up after that. On 2 lbs per day you can eat well... Pizza, caseroles, loads of cheese, if you're going to be that heavy you should enjoy yourself!! Good Luck, Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forrest_m Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 i agree with gary that the "training" for eating crap food by eating crap food when it's not necessary is a dumb idea. take advantage of that base camp to load up with fat and tasty treats! if you need a climbing-related rationalizaion, remember that good food is a major factor in keeping your psyche on during long trips.  as they say in catalunya, "mengi bé, caga fort i riure davant de mort" (eat well, shit hard and laugh in the face of death!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wfinley Posted April 1, 2005 Author Share Posted April 1, 2005 Hey - I'd be hauling beer and pizza if I could! Problem is we fly in on a supercub - which means 70lbs of gear per person. My skis alone (Karhu Jaks) weight over 10 lbs so I have to be somewhat light. One must have priorites so I opted to eat light and have fat skis instead of tthe other way around! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_Simpkins Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Eat mice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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