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Anna

I've been humbled

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Yes, I have had my bad experiences too, but I mitigate the dangers with solid and productive training built on a foundation of instincts and experiences. She only led trad once, this is not the voice of experience. A climber may have to shake the cobwebs loose every now and again to find their focus, but Anna, you had no founded experience with trad climbing. Again, I apologize for the temperment of my postings but someone had to throw a cup of cold water on the ego that can build quickly in this forum.

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quote:

Originally posted by Anna:

I was suggesting the gym to practice sport lead. Bluntness...all these folks said the same FUCKING thing but with soft edges yo...I could have died that day. I WAS AN IDIOT, I KNOW THIS. You're mean.

Anna,

 

It's obvious that you weren't ready to lead that route, but SO WHAT! I respect the fact that you had the ambition to do it, and the sense to realize that it was time to back off. That demonstrates the fact that you have what it takes to be a great climber.

 

As far as the anchor blowing, well that was a result of lack of technical skill. Technical skills are easy to learn. However, ambition and common sense are a different story. I know people with amazing technical skills that are either too scared to go for it, or too stubborn to turn around.

 

Climbing is about stepping into the unknown, attempting something that you are not sure if you can do or not. This is what you did when you tried to lead Saber, and you made a good descision when you recognized that you weren't ready. The technical sjkills will come with time.

 

By the way, I can recomennd two awsome instructors at VW in Seattle that are both excelent teachers and very experienced in trad climbing skills.

 

PM me if you are interested.

 

[ 11-01-2002, 01:39 PM: Message edited by: Lambone ]

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Mr. Chips,

 

That's cool, so isn't it about time to say something nice and even possibly supportive to Anna. She's probably not all that interested in your bravado and she already feels like shit.

 

[ 11-01-2002, 01:42 PM: Message edited by: trask ]

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[big Grin] , naw, not really. I just know when someone really feels shitty about something and we then proceed to pick and prod at the scab so's the wound won't heal. That's all.

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I have absolutely no ego when it comes to climbing! Now flying on the other hand...

 

Mister Chips, you probably have a lot of experience I'm sure, and it probably frustrates you when stupid people get off scott free...but I WAS humbled and I KNOW NOW I had no business there. I DO realize I do not have the experience necessary to tackle something like that again...that counts for something right?

 

Thanks again ya'll for the support!

 

Trask I'm flyin at 1430, come on down!

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trask: I agree I think anna's more than whipped herself enough that there is no need for a dogpile.

 

She'll be fine, though...that's my suspician...not knowing her, but rereading her initial posts, i think she knows what's up and will get a good base in one way or another via friends or, as Lambone suggested, professional instruction.

 

My pop's an old air force pilot...so I can identify w/ her flying analogies as i heard them growing up. She'll get that checklist mentality going and there won't be any stopping her...

 

SO, YOU WANNA RACE FOR ANOTHER PAGE TOP??? [Razz][Razz]

 

[ 11-01-2002, 01:53 PM: Message edited by: RuMR ]

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Jesus, tits, and casserole, this has turned into quite the soap opera. Who would've guessed lambone was going to put a plug in for VW here? Sheeeit, all Anna needs to do is give a wink and a smile to one of you horndog ropeguns and she'll get all the climbing experience she can handle.

[HORSECOCK]

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Anna, that does count for something, and Lambone is correct when he says technical skills can be learned while enthusiasm and a keen sense of adventure cannot, that was well said. You fly planes, me too. They are based on basic fundamental skills taught and learned early and implemented on EVERY flight, no matter how experienced the pilot. I am in no way trying to discourage you from climbing, only to try to send you in the right direction, getting some training and experience down to make the whole thing enjoyable again.

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More of a plug for my buddies than VW, they get paid twice as much when teaching...and they are some of the best climbing instructors that I've ever met. I'd plug for myself, but I'm not doing that gym stuff anymore...

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Ahh, Trask is on his best behavior cuz someone threatened to spank him if he misbehaves again. [big Grin]

 

Enough of this now, I'm gonna go fly cuz these cold, clear conditions are great for aircraft performance!

 

Cheers

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Come on Trask...This is SERIOUS!! [Razz]

 

Ha i'm one step ahead of you...page 5 is around the corner vroom... [Razz][Razz]

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Lets fly sometime Mister Chips...now that is something I know quite a bit about, and love too....still training in a 152 though....

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This brings up interesting points and something that is pretty relevant to all of us given the forum that this discussion is taking place. I did not know Anna before that weekend. We had climbed Giverler's the day before and there was a whole bunch of C.C folks who were switching leads and belayers all over Caslte Rock. I don't think ANY OF US really had that good an idea of what the others limitations were...especially in regards to leading.

 

I was all geared up to lead the first pitch (which I later did by the way) and in a moment of enthusiasm Anna decided that she wanted to lead it. No problem...I wasn't fixated on leading it so I gave her my rack. I assumed she was up to the task...I'm sure at the time she did to. We've all been there. Your feeling good...you've got a day of climbing under your belt, you look up at the climb and say "I can do that" then you get on it and realize you are over your head! Sure as her belayer it was my responsibility to have gotten a better handle of her skills but I didn't...another lesson learned. I was not really in a position to tell Anna that she should probably not climb this because I assumed she could...as did everyone else that day. So in this age of finding random climbing partners on the internet, and C.C.com Rope Ups where you are climbing with lots of new folks, how do you get a handle on your partners limitations when you haven't really climbed with them before and may have only developed the leader/belayer relationship moments before???

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quote:

Originally posted by RuMR:

Come on Trask...This is SERIOUS!!
[Razz]

 

Ha i'm one step ahead of you...page 5 is around the corner vroom...
[Razz][Razz]

you're jumping the gun - relax

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Very good points Shredder. Personally, having climbed sight unseen with several .com climbers, I choose climbs I know I can handle (in case I have to lead the whole thing) or am very specific about my objectives. If I post that I am looking for a partner to climb Dreamer, for instance, I am implying that I am looking for someone up to the task of swapping leads on such a climb. In a cragging situation, like the one you were in, it may be wise to have a conversation beforehand on what everyone is comfortable leading at and their experience. I have no qualms about supplying this kind of information to potential partners as I want them to have just as enjoyable of a day as myself.

 

Greg W

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I think it's easy to tell the experienced from the newbies by the way people spray, although...I'm still tryin to figure out if trask actually climbs or not... [big Grin]

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quote:

Originally posted by trask:

does it really matter?

Not really, but it's kind of like wondering if the carpet matches the drapes - inquiring minds want to know... [big Grin]

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Yes, that is a difficult one for sure. When you just meet someone you expect them to advise you of their skill and competency level with nothing less than the un-buttered truth. I know when I first climb with someone new I certainly don't jump on something that is at or above my skill level. Get to know the person, there will always be another day to climb with them and push things a little, that is of course if you get along and TRust them and they trust you in return. It kinda sounds like the 'sex on the first date' conversation, go all the way on the first meeting or hold off a while.

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Chips, you may be sensible to be cautious with a new partner but two of the best climbing experiences I have ever had were with partners I never met before and have not seen since. Sometimes you can go with your instinct and it works out.

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MattP, not to go against what I have said in my last post, I have to agree with you on the idea of acting and listening to instincts. There is so much truth to instinctive behaviour.

 

I would not climb with Anna or fly with her either for that matter. She just said she knows SO MUCH about flying, BUT she is still training in a 152. RED FLAG.

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