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Anna

I've been humbled

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To Anna,

 

Take what you read here with a grain of salt. It's all just words on a screen.

 

I can almost garentee that if we met at the airport, and went flying, we would have great time.

 

You wouldn't suspect in million years that I was the asshole canadian.

 

don't forget your GUMPS

 

CB

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I have learned my lesson...this is simply not my bag, baby. I realized what I have done wrong, I will try, always try, to practice more situational awareness and vigilence in everything I do. Yes, the lesson has been learned....and I want to make clear that I have never blown someone off who offers to teach me something new. JK told me how to set and anchor way back when and I TOOK IT IN, 4 months went by because of my heavy commitment to the FS, and when the time called for me to put that knowledge to the test, I couldn't perform. I did not choose to stop climbing because of the posts created on this thread but from my own deductions on how important climbing is or will be to me, these posts did give me some light on the situation though. I may climb someday again but I have other passions that I want to put my energy into right now. Sorry all for being rude back there,

I guess it is pretty hard to take "I just blew him off..or..knowing her "character", she is an accident waiting to happen so I'm gonna walk away"

Climb on....

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I read ALL 10 pages of this one. Shit! I need two Excedrin. The way I see it, you guys were more interested lambasting someone ad nausium, than really "hearing" Anna. I really don't think Anna was necessarily looking for comment or advice. I may be wrong, but I think she was simply sharing this event to help herself deal with it. Similar to when a friend asks for advice but actually wants none.

 

I read these 10 pages while trying to put myself in her place, and while I cannot speak for Anna, I came away feeling she was humiliated and put down something fierce.

 

Sure, she needs to reassess her climbing and the skills necessary for a "safe" (is there such an animal?) climb. I'm sure that she will do so sometime in the future.

 

Anyway, that's why I said what I said. Okay, you can call me a fucker now.

 

Later, trask

 

[ 11-03-2002, 10:01 AM: Message edited by: trask ]

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Trask and others alike, I think this discussion became heated for a few reasons but for me and a few others it's a simple question of truth.

 

This "coddling" as Chips puts it is completly useless. Snoboy, Off White, Trask and many others, are you guys trying to get Anna in bed? WTF?

 

Well maybe there is your answer for the unexplainable Coddling that is going on. (sorry anna)

 

Comon guys, For Pete sake (if not for Anna's sake) and for the sake of anyone who relys on you for strong, sound, frank advise.

 

Give this advise, and give it so it can be heard. No don't break friendships over it, just break the bad habbits.

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quote:

Originally posted by Anna:

I have learned my lesson...this is simply not my bag, baby. I realized what I have done wrong, I will try, always try, to practice more situational awareness and vigilence in everything I do. Yes, the lesson has been learned....Climb on....

it is none of my business, but I do believe this topic has been played out. We have all tried to convay our points and oppinions in the best way that we could. Some people have hurt feelings and some have said things publicly (umm me) that perhaps would have been better said in privite. I would like to believe that Anna is true to her word and hope that you all can take your personality issues else where. Anna says she has learnd her lesson. May she go on to face everything in her life with wisdome and grace.

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yeah im stuck in a office on a sunny sunday too [Frown]

 

this thread could one day surpass the famous chinese muir on politics thread [Roll Eyes] if we all try

 

as for people making newbie mistakes, here is a little story about my friend "Solrac". Solrac took up climbing for the first time ever one fall, and climbed a few times at Squamish (TR) then came on a road trip to J Tree with a bunch of us at Xmas and did seconding and TRing there. He also goes to the gym 2x a week and does TRing there.

 

Come January we have a dry spell and a bunch of us ditch university one sunny weekday and head to Squamish. Solrac is keen to try leading and has 2nded a few routes and practiced placing gear and building anchors while standing on the ground. So we go to the Smoke Bluffs and Solrac leads Davy Jones Locker a 5.6 with gear placements and bomber rests every 5 feet.

 

Stoked from this lead he wants to try something harder so we go to Mosquito a classic hard 5.8. Solrac leads off up this but finds without the good rests its harder to get gear in. So despite my advice he starts trying to run it out to the next rest. He puts gear in then liebacks thru the crux and is finger traversing a flake with the full on Elvis shake happening when his last piece of gear falls out - classic gumby mistake he put in a cam too small for the crack and it walked till it opened up and then fell out. so hes looking at a ground fall but doesnt know it and as he sketches up the flake both feet cut out and he hangs by fingers for a moment with feet scrabbling then does a desperation lunge to a hand jam and pulls up to a big ledge and me screaming at him GET GEAR IN NOW ASSHOLE CAUSE YOU NEARLY DIED THERE!

 

So who is to blame in this case? Me or him or what? Solrac went on to become a good gear placer and lead 5.12d before giving up climbing for mtn biking a few yrs back.

 

The only advice I have is learn from your mistakes and those of others. No matter how much you prepare for your first leads at some point you have to actually do them and at that point if you screw up you can die.

 

What that has to do with Annas circumstances im not too sure cause i didnt read pages 3-6 so I have no idea where Chippy and Shoes came in on?

 

But my advice to Anna would be not to give up climbing yet but to practice anchors etc a hell of a lot more. Also to realize that if'n she doesnt improve safety that eventually word will get around she's a sketchball and she will have to give up climbing cause no one will climb with someone dangerous unless they are full on sketch themselves.

 

Sorry for rambling [Razz] gotta work on the slideshow now.

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Originally posted by Anna:

Yah, Craig....I'll ease back into it. I dont think I will stop climbing all together. Top-roping for a while though till I read some good books, set up a lot of practice placement/anchors under keen tutors. I think it will always be in the back of my mind though.....maybe that's a good thing
[smile]

No, that's a GREAT thing!

 

Good luck and remember......enjoy!

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Originally posted by snoboy:

 

I would never judge a climber on one incident. One of my buddies who is sometimes on this board came _very_ close to falling off the top of the apron here in Squish (about 7p). I would still rope up to that person.

[smile]

I think you are just after the drill that person owns snoboy

 

I do believe that very incident was discussed on this bulletin board back in Sept. 2001 and someone could even look it up. saved by a real vegetablebelay if I recall correctly [Roll Eyes][laf] - caught a tree on the way down. [Eek!]

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Dru, perhaps you should read the whole thing and get a true gist of what's being talked about here, that way your comments are more relevent. Secondly, did your friend Carlos (anagram) learn anything about running things out, cause a climber could stitch mosquito up pretty good. When I am belaying a friend who has intermediate skills at trad leading, I usually pipe up that another piece would be a great idea, it can be situational though.

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Originally posted by Tyrone Shoes:

Once again, forget about being rude or arrogant, It has nothing to do with it. NOTHING. It's that simple, sorry was that rude?
[Frown]

Bullshit, you don't believe tone has nothing to do with it. You advocate for drill sergeant style education, and you clearly believe that being abusive, demeaning, and rude facilitates learning. While it serves a purpose in military training where you are trying to break someone down so they will follow orders without thinking, for the most part the arrogant posture you admire is mostly about silly dominance and submission games. (and no, I'm not interested in your bedroom games).

 

As far as your suggestion that I am "coddling" Anna because I want into her pants, you really are an ignorant twit, aren't you?

 

Please Tyrone, whatever you do, never breed.

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Originally posted by Mr. Chips:

When I am belaying a friend who has intermediate skills at trad leading, I usually pipe up that another piece would be a great idea,

Dru originally said

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So despite my advice he starts trying to run it out to the next rest

dats what i was doing, piping up. at least until he was in ground fall potential area, cause then he was scared so bad i figured he didnt need me telling him if he fell he'd die, he was shaking enough already and any more shake might just help him fall off.

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Originally posted by Mr. Chips:

Dru, perhaps you should read the whole thing and get a true gist of what's being talked about here, that way your comments are more relevent.

after reading everything i realized i inferred correctly what those pgs were about before i even read them. [Roll Eyes]

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Tyrone and Chips, would you guys be as hard (mean) on a large guy climber who knew who you are behind your Avatars?! Methinks not. Your tact would be a little different I bet. [Roll Eyes]

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To OFFWHITE,

 

quote:

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As far as your suggestion that I am "coddling" Anna because I want into her pants, you really are an ignorant twit, aren't you?

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Ignorant...in other words, unaware or unknowing... yes I suppose I am ignorant as to your intentions and motives for coddling. That part you only know I guess. Why did you coddle?

 

As for being a twit, maybe you got me there, I guess thats a matter of opinion.

 

Lets take a vote, who says I'm a twit? [Razz]

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Originally posted by Mr. Chips:

Snoboy. This has not so much to do with making a mistake. It is about the mistakes being made due to improper training and experience and NOT listening to others when they blatently point it out to you. It is about NOT assessing your own skills and knowledge and it's about embellishing them, which never helps.

I agree with what you are saying here. I have been taking issue more with how people are saying it than what they are saying. I am also taking issue with people assuming that she has learnt nothing from the experience.

 

Wheeww! This thread sure is going on & on. Soon it will be [sleep]

 

Except for a few choice comments, I would have to say that the last two pages are probably the most useful commentary on this whole topic. Let's hope we can all get on with having fun, safely, and friendships can be rebuilt where neccesary.

 

Maybe there are asshole flight instructors, but wouldn't know. I know that if all my climbing mentors were, I probably would have quit this game a long time ago. I think there is a difference between being straight up blunt with someone, and what was going on here though.

 

quote:

Originally posted by Anna:

Sorry all for being rude back there,

I guess it is pretty hard to take "I just blew him off..or..knowing her "character", she is an accident waiting to happen so I'm gonna walk away"

Climb on....

I'm sure it hard to take. It is hard to say that some times too. But I have been blasted so many times for trying to save some persons ass, that I usally just leave these days. [Frown]

 

Good luck all. [big Grin]

 

[ 11-03-2002, 01:22 PM: Message edited by: snoboy ]

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