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Alien Failure Hoax on RC.com

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Some new poster writes that his "silver" Alien failed at the weld on a 12 ft. fall. Twelve pages of drivel ensue in the space of two days. No pictures, no explanation. Someone's got an axe to grind. There have been some strange goings on here, but I hope to not see shit like that on cc.com. thumbs_down.gif

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fuck that would be way fucked if true... but anything is possbile. My yellow alein got fucked up in a dasiy fall... it bent the metal part right below the top weld thing. I bent it back to make it work and bought another one. But it fully breaking... that seems unlikely.

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I luv the aliens. And if it were true, think of how many people use them and are fine. It would be like writing 'DEFECTIVE BINER: While leading I took a fall and the biner broke." As we all know everything in the climbing world is bullshit until proven otherwise by pictures (and impartial observers?).

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And a bunch of other people saying, "if you don't trust your Aliens anymore, I'll take them off their hands". And still more people singing the praise of Aliens, while others plug their favorites (usually Zeros). It was a lot of smoke, and no fire.

 

The most interesting parts came from the engineer types and CCH employees who talked about how Aliens and other cams are manufactured.

 

The take home message for me was that you shouldn't trust absolutely in any ONE cam.

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I sent 5.8 once but not take professional quality. photo.

I will reproduse wtih impartial observers from both parties, to certify.

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I have seen two broken aliens. They did not brake in falls because I noticed the frayed cables before it happened. Once I noticed the fray I bent the head back and forth a couple of times and the weld completely broke. After alot of aid climbing (like 20+ grade VI's) on aliens the weld will start to brake. the is also the case with double stem junior camalots. I have never completely broke a camalot but have retired them after I noticed frayed welds. Sorry no photo evidence either.

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I am a metalworker, looking at an Alien, and I don't see any welds anywhere in the Alien. I see swages, collars, machined press fit connections, and maybe some epoxy, but no welds. cantfocus.gif The main cable is brazed into a sleeve at the axle joint, there are no welds in an alien.

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Jesus, I can't believe they go on for 13 pages about that. Geek_em8.gif

 

I could only get through 2 pages. yellowsleep.gif

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I have had some of my aliens for 14 years, and 3 out of 4 still work great! ( the main cable got squishy on the other one)

 

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I sent 5.8 once but not take professional quality. photo.

I will reproduse wtih impartial observers from both parties, to certify.

 

I was there. It was in fact 5.7d. Squid attested that since a "key hold" had broken off the route should be upgraded, but a strenuous drop knee keeps the rating as is.

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Zerocams are better boxing_smiley.gif

Aliens suck, except the largest sizes boxing_smiley.gif

Your post reminds me of most of the RC.com posts. They don't address the key issue, which is how and why did the cam break or even whether it broke at all.

 

BTW, I had the larger sizes and didn't like them, so I sold them off.

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Allow me to step in here...

As somewhat of an expert on things like this, may I say that this happens all the time.

Something really might have happened...

Somebody might have seen something, and he might have a picture, but until there is habius corpus ...

It's all just monster stories.

 

But, why did I recieve an email forwarded from a person very high up in a undisclosed retail manufacturer that describes a secret society made up of the top exceutives from all the outdoor related industries...this situation concerns them very much and some say that the reason that no pictures were posted was that high level endorsement deals were threatend, unleashing a chain of events that led to mounting suspision, culminating in a shocking display of levels and levels of speculation.

The mission of these faceless giants is simple: To control the outdoor recreation world.

The message states that this orginazation, known only as "O.R." meets only twice a year, once in Salt Lake City, and once in San Diego.

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http://www.rockclimbing.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=81098&forum=23

 

-or - for those too lazy to click the link: it says verbatum,

 

" CCH has responded to Quietmonk with regards to the incident which he described on Feb. 2, 2005. We have requested he send in the Alien for review by a metallergist.

 

Regarding Boadman, his employment at CCH lasted for a total of 80 hours and does not make him an expert at the process of the manufacturing nor quality control of Alien Cams. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, however.

 

Please understand that we are in the business of building a product that saves lives and we DO NOT take that lightly! Alien Cams have had a great reputation of performance and reliability for almost 20 years by climbers worldwide.

 

Thank you for using a great product that is designed, machined and manufactured entirely in the United States of America.

 

CCH, Inc."

 

End of story.

 

Bill

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