iain Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Exactly, it says something about how you present yourself here. If by "ascertation" you mean "assertion", I didn't declare it as fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Me too considering you have never even met me and you are the one who made the ascertation that I was spoiled. Â strategery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 I am asking you to provide evidence of any non-Christian creationists. You still haven't. In the absence of any such evidence the supposition that all creationists are Christians remains. Â It's funny you label your own poor comprehension as "obviously". No one but you made this arbitrary and illogical jump, boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 I am asking you to provide evidence of any non-Christian creationists. You still haven't. In the absence of any such evidence the supposition that all creationists are Christians remains. Â It's funny you label your own poor comprehension as "obviously". No one but you made this arbitrary and illogical jump, boy. Â I never said they weren't did I? I also asked what you were trying to prove by this. Â There are infact non-Christian Creationists. They are called Wiccans, Muslims and Jews. Â Lets pretend there aren't any. What then are you trying to prove? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bDubyaH Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 it is my understanding that creationism is a christian based theory, coming from the bible. which ought to make all creationists christians...if their not they're really confused people. ID is a slightly different animal, where they have taken out the heavy christian emphasis in order to propogate its use in schools. it is nontheless a christian backed idea. Â what does this prove? don't know, although i could go out on a limb and say that yes all creationists are christians and i would wager that i would be right a significant amount of the time (alpha = 0.05, hell i'd even give it alpha = 0.01) Â as far as your english comprehension, hell i can't even keep track of where this spray is/has gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Might as well toss in the Hare Krishnas and almost the entire traditional Native American beliefs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bDubyaH Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 why don't we define the question, by asking it in terms of the christian based creationism...which is what ID is backed by? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 it is my understanding that creationism is a christian based theory  It predates Christianity by thousands of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 I don't recall ever seeing Muslim or Jewish organizations banging on the school doors to have creationism taught in schools. It's always the fundamentalist Christian wing-nuts. So from what I've seen it is a right wing Christian thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Regardless, an incredibly small amount of Christians actually believe in true Creationist theory. What is your point? You still attempted to imply that the terms were interchangeable. Are you now willing to admit they are not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 I don't recall ever seeing Muslim or Jewish organizations banging on the school doors to have creationism taught in schools. It's always the fundamentalist Christian wing-nuts. So from what I've seen it is a right wing Christian thing. Â Exactly... fundamentalists. Just as the Muslim community speaks against fundamentalist Islam, the same holds true with Christianity. Â Has anyone here claimed to endorse this behaviour? The percentage of people doing this is almost certainly less than 1%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Regardless, an incredibly small amount of Christians actually believe in true Creationist theory. What is your point? You still attempted to imply that the terms were interchangeable. Are you now willing to admit they are not? Â Read and comprehend. The point is that it is a small group of Christians that are trying to push Creationism in schools, it is not the goal of all Christians. No other religious splinters seem to be pushing the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 I don't recall ever seeing Muslim or Jewish organizations banging on the school doors to have creationism taught in schools. It's always the fundamentalist Christian wing-nuts. So from what I've seen it is a right wing Christian thing. Â Just wait... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 I am asking you to provide evidence of any non-Christian creationists. You still haven't. In the absence of any such evidence the supposition that all creationists are Christians remains. Â It's funny you label your own poor comprehension as "obviously". No one but you made this arbitrary and illogical jump, boy. Â I never said they weren't did I? I also asked what you were trying to prove by this. Â There are infact non-Christian Creationists. They are called Wiccans, Muslims and Jews. Â Lets pretend there aren't any. What then are you trying to prove? Â None of the groups you mention are advocating replacing the teaching of evolution with their particular brand of dogma in the classroom now, though, are they? Â In fact, the only ones campaigning against the teaching of evolution in high schools in America are Christians - yes or no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 You guys realize that Scott has made 28 posts so far in this thread. So far that's well over a quarter of the posts...nearly a third   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squid Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 The existence of Scott disproves the possibility of intelligent design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bDubyaH Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 The existence of Scott disproves the possibility of intelligent design. damn i thought my existence disproved it guess my existence just disproves logic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squid Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 hopeful monster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 A climber friend of mine once taught in the Camano Island School district. The school board was populated with a group of creationists that insisted a watered down version of evolution be taught in the schools. She quit rather than be forced to compromise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 And all the monkeys aren't in the zoo everyday you see quite a few so you see it's all up to you, you could be better than you are you could be swinging on a star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordop Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 The circular, redefining parameters of the rhetoric in this thread remind me of a Christian radio host I once listened to late at night on a Smith trip: Â "NO CHRISTIAN HAS EVER COMMITTED AN ACT OF AGGRESSION BECAUSE NO REAL CHRISTIAN WOULD AND AS SOON AS ONE DOES THEY CEASE TO BE CHRISTIAN." Â AMEN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camilo Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 (edited) This is pathetic. Thanks to Squid for making the last few posts funny. Tip: If you want your question answered, ask it again and again instead of referring to it and accusing the other guy about not answering yours. Would you like a muffin for your circle jerk? Edited December 1, 2004 by Camilo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 In the third century BC, Greeks were contemplating the existence of other worlds. Science and intellectual thought were flourishing in the western world and middle east. Yet more than 1500 years later "heretics" were being burned at the stake for blasphemy. Â What went wrong? Where would we be today if we had not taken a nearly 2000 year vacation from logic? Who is to blame for this disaster? IMO, not Jesus Christ, not Buddah,...or even Mohammed...but rather the zealots who took the beauty and hope of religion and turned it into a dark quest for power and wealth. And while some hard-core Judeo-Christian holdouts force us to take small steps backward on occassion, still the logic-train moves forward. IMO, such is not the case in the Muslim world. It remains regressive in the extreme and is almost universally intolerant of progressive ideals. Â The western world has spent the last 200+ years in a frantic quest to reawaken reason and catch up to our human destiny. While some adherents to Christianity and Judaism try to slow down the inevitable, it is undeniable that overall they have (some grudgingly) submitted to reforms and accepted scientific and western political ideals. Again, Islam, IMO, is an exception. Â The fact that is evolution is not incompatible with religion. And one need not "invent" goofy theologies to make this so. Teaching evolution in our schools is essential. We evolve still. It would be nice to allow creationist teaching as a counter-balance, but the opinions therein are so diverse that it is not practical... such teachings must ultimately resort to faith and throw (existing) science out the window. Â Many here like to pigeonhole all conservatives into the religious zealot column. You have no idea how wrong you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foraker Posted December 1, 2004 Author Share Posted December 1, 2004 Kind of like conservatives pigeonholing liberals? Nah, they wouldn't do that. Would they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 But most of you are snivelling, Subaru-driving, sucking-at-the-teat-of-government, anti-gun, socialist, peacenik, America-hating, lazy bastards. Â I write a long-winded, pro-your-position post...and that's all you have to reply with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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