catbirdseat Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 This article was in today's New York Times. Now I would really like to go visit that place while the lake level is down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirp Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Very cool in a way, I think Ed would have mixed feelings but overall would be happy. I wonder if the music temple will be accessable again? If anyone is interested, the book ON THE LOOSE by Jerry and Renny Russel is a great period book(1960's) about two youth growing up in the Southwest. Alot of the emphasis is directed to the loss of Glen Canyon. I REALLY love this book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 I took this pic back in May, Hite "Marina" is upper left. I can only imagine what it would look like now  I'd bet a case of beer Ed would be overjoyed to see the Dam go. Hayduke definitely would Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurthicks Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 there was an article in Backpacker about this a couple months ago. It'd be a fun trip to check out those canyons right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 there was an article in Backpacker about this a couple months ago. It'd be a fun trip to check out those canyons right now. They should be good till March/April, after that's when they get the big spring runoff. I'm planning on a trip Is it this article you were thinking of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Schuldt Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 I wonder how much power they're able to generate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman_Clyde Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 At this time, the turbine intakes are 100 feet below the lake surface. If the lake drops another 80 feet, power generation will not just diminish, it will STOP. Â Speaking of dams and the West, one of the best books I've read on this subject is A River Lost by Blaine Harden, about the Columbia/Snake system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancegranite Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 Let's just say that this is the canary in the coal mine. The west is running out of water.... Fast. Â Are you ready? Â I was out in Lake Mead the other day, pretty amazing to think that Los Angeles, Pheonix, San Diego, Las Vegas and parts of Mexico relies on a source of water...that is drying up at a rate of 20 feet a year. Â Click on this NASA link for the plain truth, be sure to hold your mouse over the photo of the lake. Earth Observer lake mead photos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tread_tramp Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 Re: Chirp  "Very cool in a way, I think Ed would have mixed feelings but overall would be happy. I wonder if the music temple will be accessable again? If anyone is interested, the book ON THE LOOSE by Jerry and Renny Russel is a great period book(1960's) about two youth growing up in the Southwest. Alot of the emphasis is directed to the loss of Glen Canyon. I REALLY love this book."  Thanks for the rcomendation. I found a 1st edition in F/NF condition on Abebooks.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 what will the casinos do when the power stops flowing from hoover dam - build some more reactors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klenke Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 Back-up generators? The show must go on and the roulette wheel must keep spinning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurthicks Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 one of the best books I've read on this subject is A River Lost by Blaine Harden, about the Columbia/Snake system. Â That book is a great insight into all of the complexities of this dam issue. everyone in the west should give it a read if you haven't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpinfox Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004  I'm reading this right now   Only about 40p into it, but pretty "dry" so far.  It's supposed to be "the definitive history of water resources in the American West, and a very illuminating lesson in the political economy of limited resources anywhere." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Schuldt Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 When I got dome reading that book I was pissed off for monts. It starts dry but picks up later. For visuals check out a PBS series based on this book. Some of the folks that built the dams are still alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Parker Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Don't worry! Bush will fix it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxwell Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Just got off of an 18-day trip through the Grand Canyon on 11/1 and I was amazed at the beach erosion that had taken place in the 8 years since I'd been there. All that sediment is piling up at Lake Mead and now the old take-out, Pierce Ferry, is full of sediment and one now has to go 30 more miles to the next take out. The place is getting messed up from that damn dam. Rapids like Crystal will be unrunnable soon unless there is a big flush to clean some of that shit out like pre-dam days. And we're talking 70,000+ cfs not the 40k cfs joke of an experiment they did in the late 90's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterMo Posted November 6, 2004 Share Posted November 6, 2004 I'm reading this right now   Only about 40p into it, but pretty "dry" so far.  It's supposed to be "the definitive history of water resources in the American West, and a very illuminating lesson in the political economy of limited resources anywhere."  Stay with it. When you reach the narrative on the collapse of the Teton Dam the pace picks up quite a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Schuldt Posted November 6, 2004 Share Posted November 6, 2004 A friend of mine just got back from Lake Foul. I will encorage him to post a TR w/ pics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancegranite Posted November 6, 2004 Share Posted November 6, 2004 The St. Francis dam collapse was pretty exciting as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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