Dru Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 rack of equalized s holding nuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Crash Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 aid pieces if used singly. equalize all three together in a nest and they may be truck. common practice in england. 13 nuts is a better value than 10 for the same price  If the nuts are directly comparable, yes. Looks like many people think the DMM to be really superior and maybe worth the extra money per nut.  drC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Don't forget a ton of webbing. Just get a bunch of 1" and smaller tubular webbing, and cut it to various lengths. If you have a good amount of webbing, and basic carabiners, then a set of nuts (Huevos, Wallnuts, HB offsets, BD stoppers) You can climb quite a bit. Throw in some hexes and a couple cams in the common sizes, and go climb.  check out www.rockempire.com www.gearexpress.com www.climbonrock.com www.acmeclimbing.com  Shopping those places will let you get good retails deals on most of the products in the thread.  Also, get "cosmetic blem" pieces, and save money. Plus this way your gear might not be so shiny and knew, which would only further add to the "total newbie" image you'll be projecting. (it will all still be fully functional) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 don't do that...buy slings and double them up...knotted crap is a pain...sorry...a really really really expensive sewn sling is what, 7 or 8 bucks? Â they last forever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 knotted slings are way better than sewn slings for rapping off things, sporto not every climb comes with a convenient set of chains at 30m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 and why is knotted better to rap off of? cuz you're gonna leave it? that's fine then, get some sacrificial stuff... Â and sporto? what is that for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 knotted - length can be changed, and can be tied around things  sewn - length cannot be changed and can only be put around trees, chockstones, etc by girthhitching which uses 2x as much sling as a knotted sling would. try equalizing two bolts and a rap ring using a sewn sling...  but i agree, making runners out of knoted slings is like writing a tr in cuineform on clay tablets. there is a better technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_Simpkins Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 I prefer sewn, but it's always good to have one or two tied slings. I never leave slings on trees for rapping. I just put the rope around the tree. At tree belays I use a bowline on a bite around the tree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 tree killer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryad Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Snowbyrd, This gear discussion is all fine and dandy, but you've been climbing for what, 3 months now altogether? Spend more time on the rock, spend more time following and fondling other people's gear and getting to know what the options are and what you like best before shelling out the big bucks for your own rack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 hasn't stopped anyone before! there's a lot of shiny camalots out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowByrd Posted September 28, 2004 Author Share Posted September 28, 2004 Snowbyrd, This gear discussion is all fine and dandy, but you've been climbing for what, 3 months now altogether? Spend more time on the rock, spend more time following and fondling other people's gear and getting to know what the options are and what you like best before shelling out the big bucks for your own rack. Â Our "father" das Bird told me differently. Its not a bad idea to start picking up pieces here and there and learning how to place them...even if its just on toprope. But I do see your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 go into debt, it's the american way. spendspendspendspend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Ignore all those cautious people advising you and jump into leading as quickly as you can. Darwin will apply and either you will 1) die or 2) become a good trad leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Crash Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 I'll take 2) if I can sign up for it rather than 1) Â drC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 don't do that...buy slings and double them up...knotted crap is a pain...sorry...a really really really expensive sewn sling is what, 7 or 8 bucks? Â they last forever... Â Â Tied are more versatile and cheaper.I don't really see the downside, just check your knots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Knotted slings as quickdraws is like shorts over polypro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurthicks Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 I'd hold off on the Camalots until next month, when they're supposed to start shipping the new C4s which are 20% lighter... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b-rock Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 I wonder if anyone will start unloading the old ones at a semi-reasonable price when the new C4s come in.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_Simpkins Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 REI was selling them realy cheap for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Crash Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Knotted slings as quickdraws is like shorts over polypro. Â [mountie]What's wrong with that?[/mountie] Â drC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bug Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Ever tighten your gators so much your toes went numb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texplorer Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 tri-cams - SUCK TCU's - OK Hexes - SUCK Wildcountry Cams - GOOD Â Nuts - YES BD Camalots .5 through 3.5 - YES Aliens blue through red - YES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 STFU you duct tape wearing wannabe! TriCams don't suck, you do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bug Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 tri-cams - SUCK TCU's - OK Hexes - SUCK Wildcountry Cams - GOOD Â Nuts - YES BD Camalots .5 through 3.5 - YES Aliens blue through red - YES For a beginner climber, this is a good rating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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