robert Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 I just got a C/M Quark today and the leash is attached to the shaft with a bolt and this thing that they call the Clipper. Does anyone use this or see any reason not to take it off and just attache the leash through the hole in the shaft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceIceBaby Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 no I just sold it on Ebay and got real leashes like the lockdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swaterfall Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 I used the clippers when I got my Quarks. Ditch 'em and get some real leashes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randygoat Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 A buddy of mine got those last year. It seamed like a good idea not to have to wrestle your hand out of the leash, and just unclip it. Whenever he would follow me it looked like the leash on his wrist was allways hanging in the way, interfereing with him removing screws or dealing with gear. Sort of like the old "cows tails" they never worked for me either,allways getting stepped on or snagged at the worst moments. Â The BD Lockdowns are nice, got a set of those last year and really like them. I ussually don't slide them open all the way, just make 'em loose enough to slide my hand out of the glove. The bare hand can get cold, but can give a better grip when handling the gear with less chance of dropping anything.Just my preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Frieh Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Love them. Â However what you intend to use them for will dictate whether or not you should get rid of them (if you do I'll buy it off you...). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert Posted June 28, 2004 Author Share Posted June 28, 2004 NOLSe, Â For what type of climbing are they great? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Frieh Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 My main preference/I think they are great for is water ice… in and out much faster. Regardless of which detachable leash you use (BD or Petzl) I think you will find most people have made the leash switch for water ice… which is what the Quark excels at. In the alpine (and whether or not a quark belongs there) is a whole new ball game (and argument for that matter)… Dare I admit this in a public forum, but I have used them (the clipper, not the quark) in the alpine and liked them. This will probably be my opinion until I drop a tool… at that time I will change my opinion… though I don’t see that happening any time soon as any time I either go detachable or leashless in the alpine I use the double spring thing from Grivel…  (Dru: enter stage left with cynical aid comment here… make sure to quote the last sentence)  As I am already on the style police’s 10 most wanted list for attempted cowboy style bandana revival , I have no problem using the double spring thing (or dummy cords as they call them) as I don’t hang/take on them… I only use them the same way people use a leash… to try and avoid dropping a tool.  I would say use the FREELOCK LEASH or some alternative in the alpine (unless you can prevent a dropped tool) and use the clipper for water ice lovin…  How's that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert Posted June 28, 2004 Author Share Posted June 28, 2004 Thanks for the explanation. I will try it since I have it. If i like it I will keep it, if not I will send it your way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 i heard the clipper accidentally detaches much less frequently than the android but is less easy to clip and unclip when you want to do so as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 I've used Quarks equipped with the Clipper before and I found that they worked great. Occasionally the bolt that the Clipper attaches to would ice up, but it was never extremely problematic. I like them better than the BD Android. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swaterfall Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 The metal clip on the clipper is pretty weak (Al I think) I know people that have had their's bend and become useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Frieh Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 Whose system? BD or Petzl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbb Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 I've used the Androids for a couple years and really like them. How do these compare? Easy to get off with bulky gloves on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Frieh Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 I think the BD version is kinda sketchy based on a few experiences I have had or observed:  1) If one attaches the leash and jerks it repetitively against the buckle/attachment system you can generally get it to release... kinda similar to ski bindings releasing in a minor slip. I can't get my clippers to do this but unfortunately the clipper is petzl specific unless you trust your drilling skills...  2) A few people have reported (either on this page or in person) that if the attachment system becomes deformed (especially the spring) it will pop randomly or slightly loaded. As the clipper's moving parts is contained inside the clip and the clip is a little more streamlined than the android leash I think (merely speculation) the clipper is going to hold up a little better over time. Time will tell I guess...  Regardless I think this year in the mtns I will be using a grivel double spring… as long as I don’t hang from it it will do the same thing a leash should do… decreasing the likelihood of a dropping tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 If I use the androids for a climb, I have to make sure I can do absolutely everything with the gloves I have on, otherwise they become a total c.f. (at least for me). Even taking off a jacket will cause some gear juggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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