pindude Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 quote: Originally posted by pindude: Perhaps if you didn't hide behind an avatar, you wouldn't be so vehement. I may have wasted my time responding to you, in hopes you might see the light. What'll it be, dude, more ranting and name-calling, or honor and intelligence? crazypolishilliterate, There went down the toilet a chance for you to help restore, for some of us, our faith in humanity. Obviously, the answer is the former. Keep your crazy thoughts and yourself on your shitter in Houston with your muscle buddies, it's where you belong. You're not welcome in our mountains. However, you do provide good entertainment on this board, albeit in the form of thread creep. My apologies, Greg, for contributing to the wayward ramblings of a madman. May you get the best of care, and be back climbing hard soon. --Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 [ 06-21-2002, 08:34 PM: Message edited by: crazypolishbob ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 the point was that there are good chiropractors and bad (more of the second kind) good and bad md's (more bad also). i would start with a pt, they can do all the tests for the knee and have way more hands on experience with injuries. it's cheaper too. usually it's something simple and greg you can get results in a couple of weeks. if it's beyond that pt can tell you where to go and whoom to see. a lot of times md will order an mri which is $$$$ and won't show much unless you have a cartilage injury or ligament. and both of these conditions can be asessed with simple test too at first. try icying the area in the meantime, to take any inflamation down. usulally movement (light, like stationary bike with 0 resistance) will produce more lubrication for the joint. you don't won't to do too much stretching just in case you have a ligament injury. general rule- if it hurts- don't do it. you'll be just causing more inflamation, but you want to keep moving to prevent scarr tissue formation. to pindude- i think that blasting every modality out there is not fair. there is a lot of scheisssters out there, who try to get your money and run. there is a lot of people who are just plain incompetent. as far as md, my beef is that 90% overprescribe meds, a lot of unnecesary surgeries. read a study done by the UW on back surgery. in 90 % of cases it was not the correct action. I myself had pretty bad experience with my shoulder. guy wanted to do a surgery for "multi- directional instability". and if you read about the condition in the book- surgery is not recommended. ther is a lot of bad chiropractors out there too, same with surgerons. but i am not going to blast every surgeon, just because i happen to run into a stupid one. and if everyone was so dandy why is greg looking for a good one? one more thing, surgery is pretty serious stuff. even orthroscopic knee surgery will incease your chances of osteo- arthiritis in the joint up to 50 %- something to think about. so the pain you might have now might be nothing compared to the pain 15 years down the road. and joe- wanna-be polish(but i don't speak the language), you just made an ass out of yourself , but i am not going past that- it would be a waste of my time. you are just too stupid for me (i guess polish jokes do exist because of your gradparents?) [ 06-21-2002, 11:40 PM: Message edited by: crazypolishbob ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 hey pinhead- you started ripping on everyone this time, so don't blame this one on me. don't try to turn things around and pretend you are a nice guy now. if you dish out be a man (not joecockbiterkania) and take it in. your post had no merit. you see it happens that greg can't even see an md of his choice. some pencil pusher like yourself, decided for him who is going to be the best option. so you're wrong again- it's not who is the best, it's who is on a preffered provider list. but you knew that since you are a part of the problem not the part of the solution. you are a pencil pusher, i don't see you holding a medical licence. and you are trying to advise on course of actions? how ethical is that? who gives rats ass if you work in some medical office- you do not have education or experience treating people hands on. since you are in spokane, the center of the climbing universe, i hope you don't crowd my favorite Rockies with your lame persona. i shouldn't worry too much about running into you anyway. i will recognize you very easy- you'll be the one sucking wind on the way up to some slog, while i do another super fast ascent of another hard classic (like andromeda strain). you can recognize me easly- i will be wearing my rugby jersey you redneck. [ 06-22-2002, 02:29 PM: Message edited by: crazypolishbob ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 [ 06-21-2002, 11:47 PM: Message edited by: crazypolishbob ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 one more thing- if you don't know what inflamation in it band is you should not speak up. you just don't know the subject. look up in any physiology book about inflamatory response (totora principles of anatomy and physiology is a good one). look up it band aka illio-tybial tract in paltzer- lokomotor systems. after all i am not the one to teach your dumb ass these things.and quoting yourself just shows the facct you're just a stuck up asshole wanker-redneck [ 06-22-2002, 12:19 PM: Message edited by: crazypolishbob ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 so pindickheaddude- there is your problem you're a dude. smoker less weed- it fucks your brain up. you said something like the surgeon will spend time with you and zero in on a problem. what planet are you from? let's see how it's in the real life. you schedule a visit and you probably will have to wait for about 2 weeks to get in. when you arrive he is running behind, so you'll wait for 45 minutes before he actually sees you. first you'll see his assistant, who in reality will do most of the diagnosing anyway. if you're lucky he won't be after a 24 hour "on call" day.but if your shit out of luck- he slept 15 minutes in last 30 hour period (3 5 minutes naps). finally you'll get your 15 minutes appointment and because he is running behind will be cut back to about 10 minutes. out of that time 7 minutes will be spent charting. so it leaves about 3 minutes for an actual "informed decission" making. he will probably order an mri and since your deductible is $500 you'll end up paying out of your own pocket. the read out will be also done by someone who did not sleep for the last 18 hours- so they are still fresh. the mri won't show much since most likely you'll have a soft tissue misfunction. your visit to the surgeon will be about $120. usually specialist visit go towards co-pay and 20% out of pocket expances. so about 2 wasted days and roughly $750 later you don't know much more then you knew before. on the other hand you can go to dc or pt, spend 1 hour of their time, find out what really goes on and save yourself about $700. plus you'll actually start getting better (my oh my is this possible pindick?). and if they are good and you'll need a surgical intervention, they can point you in the right direction. and if you need a surgery let's hope they will do it on the correct limb and they won't leave any surgical tool inside your body. What planet are you from pindude? youranus? because your head is so deep up your ass you forgot how the real world looks like. why don't you try pulling it out from time to time and see what outside looks like? might do you some good. [ 06-22-2002, 02:27 PM: Message edited by: crazypolishbob ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 [ 06-22-2002, 10:29 AM: Message edited by: crazypolishbob ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 hey joe-blow-wanna-be-polish-but-i-don't-speak-the-language-kania. sloma ci z butow wychodzi chuju bone=osteum not osteo you dumb shit. go back to sheep shaging or did your velcro gloves wear off ? if you write something at least get your facts straight you dumb ass. [ 06-22-2002, 10:49 AM: Message edited by: crazypolishbob ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 hey joe- agreed. sorry about spelling. i am a very busy person, so i don't have much time to run to the dictionary and this site has no spell check. we agree on one thing though. current medical system sucks. it's full of incompetent people more interested in making their payments on car and a house rather then the health of patients. and i don't say all surgeon are bad and all pt's are good. it sucks you just can't open a phone book and call a number, get an appointment and not worry about getting your health fucked up by some idiot. but they are alternatives. i just think that a lot of times seing a pt or dc or omt is much better. of courese if you have a cancer i would be the first one to send you to an oncologyst. same- if your knee is locked or you have a tear in ligament i will be the first advising to see a suregeon. i am checking some names for greg and i will send the info via pm. i did these posts just to make people more aware that they have more option then one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 Originally posted by pindude: Perhaps if you didn't hide behind an avatar, you wouldn't be so vehement. now look who is talking- look at your first post buttmunch and then speak. who started ripping on everyone first, name calling and all. YOU pindick! thanks for wasting everyones time. "see the light" oh enlighten one- please teach us the way. i've got news for you - you're nothing but 2 things- jack and shit and jack just left town [ 06-22-2002, 03:22 PM: Message edited by: crazypolishbob ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joekania Posted June 23, 2002 Share Posted June 23, 2002 Hey Bob, You're right, I was wrong, osteon is Greek for bone. Osteum is obviously LATIN, something you would know if you were a good Catholic. Enough nitpicking. Thanks for finally posting something constructive and sensible and for sharing your expertise. Maybe you aren't all angry spray after all. A big thanks for having someone edit your posts for grammar and spelling, it enhances your suffering credibility on this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis_Harmon Posted June 23, 2002 Share Posted June 23, 2002 Good God, this guy asks for a referral to an orthopedic surgeon/climber and he gets all this B.S. Look up Bill Clark out of Tacoma and disregard all the other crap. Good luck, Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted June 24, 2002 Share Posted June 24, 2002 Dr. Robert Yancee in Gig Harbor WA did my ACL replacement 3 years ago. He is fantastic! I can't even tell there was ever anything wrong with my knee. 100% + of the original. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nervedoc Posted June 24, 2002 Share Posted June 24, 2002 As for all the ripping on various health care providers (especially chiropractic, being one myself). The best way to find a doc (or therapist) is take advice rom people you trust, keeping in mind that a degree says something, but not everything. I can think of people in all fields (chiropractors, MD's, PT's, osteopaths, etc.) who are briliant , and others who are idiots. It's kind of like climbing grades.... some 5.10's are no sweat, some are pure hell (at least for me) find someone who is familiar with your type of injury (i.e. climbing, skiing). happy trails...or routes...or runs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Posted June 24, 2002 Share Posted June 24, 2002 That Dr. Zorn guy sounded familiar so I looked up who 'scoped my knee in 95 or 96 and that be him. I was back on the jobsite in 3 days, climbing ladders and packing materials around the "catwalk" on the Tacoma Dome Re-roof, I shit you not. That dude is a genius and if you do need surgery, check him out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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