AlpineK Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 lane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gripped Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 Why is it OK to speed, but it's not OK to ride in the HOV illegally? Who determines what is righteous? Â That question asked, I will also sell Ken down the river... in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glacier Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 Also, does a trunkmonkey count as a passenger, or does he have to be in the passenger compartment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 (edited) Because single in the carpool lane is like cutting in front of someone at the checkout line. Â Speeding is only a problem if you drive erratically or cause a wreck. Edited March 30, 2004 by AlpineK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 Speeding is only a problem if you drive erratically or cause a weck. Â then by that logic, driving solo in the carpool lane would only be a problem if you are holding up the car behind you. keep up with the flow and there's no harm done, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 No, because like AK said, it's cutting in front of other people. By using the carpool lane solo you are cutting in front of all the other solo drivers. So you very marginally hold all of them up when you have to merge back in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klenke Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 No, the problem is this: If everyone (illegals too) drove in the carpool lane it wouldn't be a carpool lane anymore and would therefore get hosed up like the rest of the lanes. Â Think people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badvoodoo Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 But if all those people could drive, it wouldn't be a problem. If you're sitting in the checkout line behind an old woman that insists on paying entirely with coupons and pennies, and another checkout line opens, you're gonna change lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 that's fine as long as you don't cut. It's not really different from changing lanes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 But Klenke, Lars specifically based his argument on keeping up with the traffic and not holding people up in the carpool lane. If the problem was so bad that everyone did it and the carpool lane was bunged up by the illegals, then you've violated his assumption. So, think yourself! Â Besides, "if everyone did it" is one of those bogus "slippery slope" arguments. If your argument requires the addition of your own "if" assumption; then usually, your argument has a hole or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken4ord Posted March 30, 2004 Author Share Posted March 30, 2004 Why is it OK to speed, but it's not OK to ride in the HOV illegally? Who determines what is righteous? That question asked, I will also sell Ken down the river... in a heartbeat.  Well it seems that all of you are sort of righteous that are willing to make that 764-hero call rather than let that person in the HOV lane take that risk of running into a copper on the highway.  So if some at the grocery store cuts in line do you call the manager in? Jeezs you guys are too much. So I take it you guys are on the phone every day being a hero, calling in reports of people cheating and driving in the HOV lane, cause I see people in that lane that shouldn't be in it every day I go to work. Pathetic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 No Ken I take the law into my own hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gripped Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 Â Isn't it still cutting in front of people, when you drive past them at 70 mph and they're going the posted speed limit? Â Why is that OK when HOV pilfering is not? Â And what about passing on the right? Is that OK too? Â The way I see it, if someone passes me on the right, then I f**ked up, because I should have been in the slower lane to let them get by me... "Go faster, or go over" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 Using the grocery store analogy I don't have a problem with trying to snake someone before you hit the line up, as long as you're not too aggro, but once the lineup starts thats when the no cutting rule applies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken4ord Posted March 30, 2004 Author Share Posted March 30, 2004 Gripped, so true about if you are passed on the right. It seems to me Seattleite are horrible about going slow in the passing lanes. I have gotten to the point if I want to go faster than the traffic I am usually in the righthand lane. Â The grocery store anology seems to only work if you are in line with more than ten items and you notice the express lane opens up. So you decide to bail on the line you are in (the grandma with coupons line) to cruise on through and be on your merry way. Either way what it comes down to, is that you break the rules you better be willing to pay the consequences. So with the grocery store you might have the cashier refuse to ring your items cause you have too many item and are sent to the back of the grandma line (it has happened to me and I just smile cause I know I was in the wrong). On the highway you might have to pay the fine and be held up even longer with officer. With that said I never narq on someone unless it harms another in any sort of mental or physical way. You guys that call in on someone in the HOV lane are just little wanna be piggies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocChick Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 Ken4ord, you are the original bad boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenfork Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 (edited) so ken4ord, how do you rationalize being solo in the HOV lane to yourself? do you just not recognize that its selfish behavior, or do you just not care? what makes you so special that you should be allowed to break the law but not others? i could see if you disagree with the whole concept of hov lanes, and you're trying to make a statement - but i think you just don't give a shit, and you'll do it if you can get away with it. you're probably one of those selfish dudes who shoves themselves into an intersection that is blocked on the other side as the light is about to change, thereby blocking traffic in the other direction. hey, it serves your purpose, who gives a shit about anyone else? Edited March 30, 2004 by greenfork Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b-rock Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 Where's rbw and his waaaaambulance when you need him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 Here's what I like about HOV lanes. I get to drive in them legally when I'm carting kids around. Makes no sense really, since we're not keeping another car off the road or anything. But it sure is fun zipping by all you other suckers stuck in the mire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fern Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 Â is there a $ reward for this 764 HERO thing? Â hey Ken what is your license # and what time are you driving each day of the week? .... I don't even need to live in the same city as you to cash in on this scheme - one little phone call every morning before I go to work, chaCHING!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 If I had my way all you commuting suckers would take the bus leaving the highway open for trucks. I ain't talking about hummers either I mean real trucks...If you own a pickup you'd have to prove you needed to haul more than you could fit into a backpack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 No monetary compensation Fern, but you do get the awesome reward of being a HERO for saving civilization from degradation and destruction. Â Also, calling the narc number won't get you put in jail like running someone off the road or shooting 'em will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken4ord Posted March 30, 2004 Author Share Posted March 30, 2004 Greenfork don't you get it, that is why I started this thread, is to see whether or not I am willing to accept the consequences. That is what life is all about really, risk analysis, then making an educated decision. I know I am not perfect nor will I ever try to be perfect and always play by the rules. Â The answer to your questions. There is no rationalization to be made. Yes I do realize it is selfish like I said I am not perfect, yes I do care that is why I posed the question and why I don't so it all the time, no I am not special and if other people want to break the law that is their own choice, yes HOV lanes are a good idea and I appreciate them when I am actually carpooling, no I don't like blocking interrsection and if i do block an intersection I feel bad about it, and no I am not selfish all the time only sometime like this morning. Â So you. Â Sorry Fern no money for you. Â TUINB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 Statistics  17% of time spent nose picking!!!  No... 17% of their distracted time was due to nose picking... their total distraction time is not 100%... but sometimes you wonder with the drivers around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylou Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 No, there is no proper rationalization for why Ken should get to drive in the HOV lane, even though he is just one guy. I'm willing to bet even he realizes this. KEN! IT'S BAD KARMA TO ILLEGALLY DRIVE IN THE HOV LANE! Â A lot of people wouldn't dream of doing it, because they feel it isn't fair, or it's ging to get them tickets, whatever. Ken rightly points out, however, it's his decision to make. Â Ken, do the right thing, man. Get a motorcycle. You'll save a ton of dough on gas, commutes and parking a problem will be a thing of the past, and you'll get a fun pastime out of it in the mix! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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