Winter Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 I'm kicking this back up to the top. Come help out by spending a night up at the Mt. Hood B&B for a little partying: Cooper Spur fundraiser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Posted September 11, 2002 Share Posted September 11, 2002 Just a final remider for anyone interested in protecting Cooper Spur. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csd345 Posted September 11, 2002 Share Posted September 11, 2002 thanks for the info and keep it coming... more than a few of us will be interested in this plan failing. the spur is one of the prettiest lines ive ever seen on a mountain... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-dog Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Fairweather: quote:Originally posted by Bug: Monkeywrench. The above comment is why environmentalists fail to sway public opinion. Indeed, it is why many of you are viewed as kooks. As I stated above, I think this expansion idea is an outrage. But I think anyone who would suggest resorting to "monkeywrenching" (call it what it is... terrorism) needs to get a grip. I think "Winter's" suggestion of using the legal system is a bit more useful. If some of us hadn't been willing to put our asses on the line (OUR asses, nobody else's) and risk jail time and worse in the late '80s and early '90s, then there wouldn't be a single goddamned old growth tree left in the Mt. Hood NF. Think I am exaggerating? The general public has absolutely no idea how much monkeywrenching was done in the Hood NF, and how that civil disobedience slowed the massacre of OUR forests long enough for other, more mainstream groups to shut off the logging company welfare game, or at least dramatically curtail it from where it was under Reagan and Bush the First. Terrorism? Yeah, putting abrasive powder in the oil reservoir of a skidder is terrorism. Sure. Exactly. Good use of language. If I go out and dismantle my own car, is it terrorism? No? Only if it is owned by someone else? Is a car thief who takes the stolen vehicle to a chop shop a terrorist? Yeah, right. Are you only a terrorist if you believe in a cause greater than economic return? Was Ghandi a terrorist? MLK? Please respect the English language, and use our words as their generally-accepted definitions dictate. Those who resort to word games to defend indefensible positions merely demonstrate rhetorical desperation. Peace, D-d0g EF! alumus, and damned proud of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted September 12, 2002 Author Share Posted September 12, 2002 right on D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 D-Dog, MLK and Ghandi never set fire to, or destroyed another's property as far as I know. And causing damage to your OWN car isn't a crime last time I checked. Your position is bizzare. I usually try to attack only ideas and not individuals; but you're a real idiot. I sincerely hope your "proud EF Alumni" comment, and your apparent eco-terrorist insider info, triggers a flag in an FBI computer somewhere. [ 09-11-2002, 10:12 PM: Message edited by: Fairweather ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 I don’t think D was making too much sense, but I think the word terrorism is getting too much use these days. Terrorism is flying a plane into a building or suicide bombings. Burning down a ski lodge or wrecking equipment is vandalism; vandalism with purpose but not terrorism. Of course the unibomber killed people, so I guess he can be a terrorist. It seems to me that there are plenty of right wing freaks too. Oklahoma city is a good example of home grown right wing terrorism. People who shoot abortion doctors, and believe in black helicopters tend to be pretty right wing, and they too discredit their cause. So I guess both the right and the left both have their own groups of freaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Posted September 13, 2002 Share Posted September 13, 2002 My humble suggestion would be to send your $275.00 to the groups working on this project with a letter cc'd to Dave Riley that his planned project stinks. The other option would be to ski at Ski Bowl (cool steep terrain) whilst still sending Mr. Riley the above-mentioned letter. I've also been thinking of organizing group "Anti-Meadows" outings to Ski Bowl to flex the consumers' collective muscles so to speak (again with the apppropriate letter to Riley). As for D-Dog mixin' it up with FW, I'll stay out of it. Aw right ... maybe not. FW - EF! means Earth First!, which doesn't peg him as a "terrorist" or a monkeywrencher but simply an activist. And as for the word "terrorist," one day our group intelligence will prevail, and we'll realize its awfully hard to terrorize an '86 chevy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbw1966 Posted September 13, 2002 Share Posted September 13, 2002 sign me up for a consumer protest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Posted September 13, 2002 Share Posted September 13, 2002 Oh yeah, and Crystal is rippin' up our public lands as well, expanding into an extremely popular area for b-c skiers: Crystal's Expansion Plans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Posted September 13, 2002 Share Posted September 13, 2002 [ 09-13-2002, 04:07 PM: Message edited by: Winter ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted September 13, 2002 Author Share Posted September 13, 2002 maybe we could ski wy'east to just above the summit express terminal with some banners and yell stuff from out of bounds on busy weekends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted September 14, 2002 Share Posted September 14, 2002 Ya know I skied one day at Mt Hood meadows, and I have to say that the ski area sucks big time. I feel sory for you folks from OR. There isn't one decent place to ski in your state. That is unless you're a shitty skier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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