scott_harpell Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 I see. So am I to assume that the only way you will talk with another person of different faith than you is make fun of them... Or just Christians? That is cool. Just wanted to make it clear. If you all believe what you say, that "people can believe whatever they want," then mabe you should calm down and be a bit more respectful. I know this is the part where you say "I dont have to if you keep forcing your judeo-christian morals on me," but really, have I ever done that? Have a nice night! and no Thinker, the air is fine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Thanks for the jpg Scotty, I luv it! Â Thank Lars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 religions are society's coping mechanisms for the harsh reality that sometimes life sucks. They provide half-baked stories that are supposed to comfort you when life kicks you in the pants for no apparent reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinker Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 ...as long as one accepts the premise that Catholicism falls under the blanket of Christianity, which, in itself, is a debatable point... Â Discuss, please. Â Do you say this because of Christianity's early spread under the (pagan) Roman Empire? Or do you have another basis? Â The debate, as I see it, primarily involves pagan elements in many mainstream "Christian" religions, many of which can be traced to the Roman Empire's practice of melding pagan religions with 'Christianity' to make it more palatable to the subjugated peoples... Â As I suspected. We agree, then. Â Could explain why I quit going to Mass almost 30 years ago, and renounced all major religions as "support mechanisms". Â I can't say that it means enough to me to take a side, or to agree or disagree. But I certainly do enjoy watching the circus from a purely academic standpoint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 religions are society's coping mechanisms for the harsh reality that sometimes life sucks. They provide half-baked stories that are supposed to comfort you when life kicks you in the pants for no apparent reason. Â Not to offend you Iain, but you dont know much about the Christian faith. Jesus Christ said that it is divine to suffer and that we are to embrace suffering. Just thought you should know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinker Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 CBS said: I just think it is interesting that HRoark has chosen his choicest insults for CBS, who has been the most respectful of those with religious inclinations. Â Dru said: "I just think it is interesting" that you are referring to yourself in the third person suddenly, like it makes you seem all objective and shit. Â I suspect CBS thought he was logged in under an alt Avatar when he posted that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinker Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 religions are society's coping mechanisms for the harsh reality that sometimes life sucks. They provide half-baked stories that are supposed to comfort you when life kicks you in the pants for no apparent reason. Â Not to offend you Iain, but you dont know much about the Christian faith. Jesus Christ said that it is divine to suffer and that we are to embrace suffering. Just thought you should know. Â Sounds almost like something Twight would say..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 I can't say that it means enough to me to take a side, or to agree or disagree. But I certainly do enjoy watching the circus from a purely academic standpoint. Â Oh, I wasn't talking about taking sides or anything like that. I was just noting that I agreed with your logic for the debatable point of the underpinnings of Catholicism, as a "recovering Catholic" who doesn't go to his "CA" meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Scott, I thought you swore off this forum for life? Â Spray addiction in its purest form! Â And whatever Jesus supposedly said, all religious people I know take solace in their religion when shit happens. The Romans shouldn't have killed Jesus, they tried to get rid of the troublemaker and it backfired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Not to offend you Iain, but you dont know much about the Christian faith. Jesus Christ said that it is divine to suffer and that we are to embrace suffering. Just thought you should know. Seems to me that's exactly what I'm saying. As far as religion goes I only do what my rice krispies tell me to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Scott, I thought you swore off this forum for life? Â Spray addiction in its purest form! Â And whatever Jesus supposedly said, all religious people I know take solace in their religion when shit happens. The Romans shouldn't have killed Jesus, they tried to get rid of the troublemaker and it backfired. Â I cannot comment on the actions of other Christians. We are flawed as humans and therefore cannot live the life to which we strive for. I apologize for that Paul. Many Christians would see me as a troublemaker. I believe that Jesus was the first socialist. If you think about it, it actually makes a lot of sense. I am not one for orthodoxy, but I would appreciate it if mabe you would repsect those of us who are trying to live our lives in this manner. Thanks in advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 ...and as far as the science thing goes, evolution is certainly a theory. It's the best guess a bunch of pretty bright people and their kids have made based on a bunch of observations made of the environment around them. If further observations show that maybe evolution isn't the best explanation for things, then it will fade away as a solid theory. The take-away point here is that it is an adaptable explanation for life, rather than one mired in rigid conformism from a dusty book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrambled_legs Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Back to pig feces... Â I got my pig facts from a show on the latest advances in medicine... Â As for the arguments, who brought in creation? Wasn't the original post just about leaving Evolution out of the ciriculum. No-one said anything about bringing in Creation. Â The truth is Evolution still hasn't proven that creation didn't happen. It only states that we went from a simple life form to a complex one. Well where the heck did the simple life form come from???? The answer it was always there, doesn't work!!!!!!!!!! The very science that Evolution is based upon states that you can't produce something from nothing. Well in the beginning there was nothing, now where'd we come from. Â And about transforming from apes... the fossils that were in our textbooks proving the transformation have been riddled with lies and deciebt. Confessions of the discovers on their death beds admitting to creating a fossil from two different digs. Simply attatching an ape skull to a human jaw bone. Also several fossils only accounted for 25% of the total reconstructed artifact. They filled the rest in with plaster to produce the proper bone structure to the best of their knowledge. In other words, creating the missing link out of plaster. Â Don't you find it peculiar that only one skull of each transformation was discovered. Wouldn't you think that there would be several discoveries of the lastest transition to man before they discovered the earliest? I mean if you started digging for skulls, you'd find millions of present day man before you'd find one of man a 1/2 million years ago. So you should find thousands of man 1/2 million years ago before you find one of man 1 million years ago. Â Too many holes to be taught as a proper theory now adays. Â And if we developed from apes, why are there still apes around now adays? How come apes didn't develop? How come none of the other current spiecies didn't evolve from another current spieces. How come there aren't groundhogs that evolved from groundhogs to become some intelligent being that can kill the farmers that constantly kill them? Â Doesn't this seem a little bit disturbing to anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Not to offend you Iain, but you dont know much about the Christian faith. Jesus Christ said that it is divine to suffer and that we are to embrace suffering. Just thought you should know. Seems to me that's exactly what I'm saying. As far as religion goes I only do what my rice krispies tell me to do. Â No, you didn't. religions are society's coping mechanisms for the harsh reality that sometimes life sucks. They provide half-baked stories that are supposed to comfort you when life kicks you in the pants for no apparent reason. This is quite the opposite of what I was saying. You claim this faith as solace, but in reality, we are supposed to embrace Christianity so that we may take upon the burden of a life of faith. Hope this clears some things up for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Ah, the old "no you didn't" argument. My favorite. Particularly followed with a sprinkle of condescension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 CONTINENTAL DRIFT HAPPENED ALMOST INSTANTLY! Â "they gave a monkey a brain and look what he did with it. we are saying that de-evolution is as important as evolution. spuds will be apes." - Mark Mothersbaugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Ah, the old "no you didn't" argument. My favorite. Particularly followed with a sprinkle of condescension. Â Sorry Iain, but you said precisely the opposite... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 there are professors at my college who were already in the field before plate tectonics became a solid component of geologic theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 religions are society's coping mechanisms for the harsh reality that sometimes life sucks. They provide half-baked stories that are supposed to comfort you when life kicks you in the pants for no apparent reason. Scott, since you don't seem to get it I'll explain what Iain said. Life sucks. But Jesus says that we should embrace suffering. Since Jesus tells us to embrace[life], we feel less like victims, and more as noble stoics. As such, religion makes you feel better when life sucks. Complicated, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehead Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Religion is aid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinker Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 (edited) Scott, I'm obviously having a problem understanding your reasoning today. In an effort not to offend your delicate nature today on an obviously emotionally charged topic for you, I'll put the blame on myself. However, I thought I should at least explain myself and ask a few clarifying questions. Â Your post: Scotty said: I see. So am I to assume that the only way you will talk with another person of different faith than you is make fun of them... Or just Christians? That is cool. Just wanted to make it clear. If you all believe what you say, that "people can believe whatever they want," then mabe you should calm down and be a bit more respectful. I know this is the part where you say "I dont have to if you keep forcing your judeo-christian morals on me," but really, have I ever done that? Have a nice night! and no Thinker, the air is fine... Â was in reply to a post by me. I don't REALLY think you're implying that I've shown any disrespect to any religion on this thread.... Â And this posting of yours: Â Scotty said: I was just wondering if you could mabe have some respect for other cultures. Would that be possible? Just a thought. You left-of-centerds are all concerned about other minority cultures. Why are you not concerned about this one? It is clearly a minority, so how about some respect? Thanks! Â was in response to Cracked: Cracked said: People spontaneously combust. How can you prove it ISN'T true? UFOs land in the Nevada desert to kidnap people. Prove it ISN'T true, and I'll believe you. Â I still have to say I'm not tracking with you. What minority in Cracked's posting are you referring to? Were you REALLY implying I was disrespecting someone's religion. Â And on a further note, sure, I think people should be free to believe what they want to. But I also think they should be willing to discuss it and back it up with solid reasoning for WHY they believe what they do, unless of course they are not secure enough in their beliefs to have such a discussion. I've encountered young people, people very new to their faiths, and insecure people, and I typically recognize that it wouldn't be kind to question their belief system as it's forming. But when someone has been steeped in the dogma for years I love to pick their brains and find out how they rationalize any obvious contradictions. Â edit: maybe the 'circus' comment could be construed as disrespectful, but I claim it's still within the bounds of fair play for this thread. Edited February 3, 2004 by Thinker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 there are professors at my college who were already in the field before plate tectonics became a solid component of geologic theory. Â What's even more horrible is that there are still physics profs out there who predate dark energy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrambled_legs Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 religions are society's coping mechanisms for the harsh reality that sometimes life sucks. They provide half-baked stories that are supposed to comfort you when life kicks you in the pants for no apparent reason. Â If this is how you see it then how about, Â Evolution is society's coping mechanism for the harsh reality that they're going to hell. They provide a half-baked hypothesis that is supposed to comfort them so they can feel guilt free while sinning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Scott I think anyone who would show some common sense would see what I'm talking about. Second: we are supposed to embrace Christianity so that we may take upon the burden of a life of faith this is one of the bigger non-statements I've seen on this site, and that's up against some stiff competition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 (edited) religions are society's coping mechanisms for the harsh reality that sometimes life sucks. They provide half-baked stories that are supposed to comfort you when life kicks you in the pants for no apparent reason. Scott, since you don't seem to get it I'll explain what Iain said. Life sucks. But Jesus says that we should embrace suffering. Since Jesus tells us to embrace[life], we feel less like victims, and more as noble stoics. As such, religion makes you feel better when life sucks. Complicated, no? Â YOU are not getting it Paul. Religion is not supposed to make you feel better. That is my point. Edited February 3, 2004 by scott_harpell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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