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A Message from Dwayner

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Here's something that Dwayner sent me that I'm sure he wouldn't mind me passing along:

 

Dude:

 

Another article from High Country News. This one is about those bolted

caves in Oregon. Complaining vociferously about this matter is what got

me finally banned. Check it out:

 

HOTLINE - April 1, 2002

Forest Service gives climbers the slip

by Ted Katauskas

 

OREGON

 

Rock climbers are clinging a bit more tenaciously to crags on federal

lands now that the U.S. Forest Service has all but outlawed climbing at a

network of caves outside of Bend, Ore. To protect dwindling populations of

bats and to preserve the caves, which are sacred to the Confederated

Tribes of the Warm Springs, in late February the Deschutes National Forest

banned the installation and use of climbing bolts. It also created a $200

fine if climbers are found using, or even possessing, magnesium carbonate,

a chalk-like hand-drying agent that permanently stains the dark porous

volcanic rock.

 

"Not only is this outrageous, its unconstitutional," says Shawn Tierney, a

spokesperson for the Boulder, Colo.-based Access Fund, which

unsuccessfully appealed the decision. "One of our primary objections is

that this arbitrary ban could be used to justify similar actions around

the country. Its a very dangerous precedent."

 

 

Others say climbers dont deserve to use the area: They bolted 160 climbing

anchors over one 400-square-foot area of rock near the mouth of the most

popular cave, and coated parts of the caves ceiling and walls with layers

of magnesium carbonate, covering prehistoric Native American pictographs.

 

 

"When I first saw what these guys had done, I was so upset that I couldnt

sleep for a week," says Portland cave conservationist Larry King, who

removed the last of the bolts days after the ban was enacted. "They went

in there without asking permission, without doing any environmental or

archaeological assessments, and turned these caves into their own personal

climbing gyms."

 

Here's the funny part from above:

 

"Not only is this outrageous, its unconstitutional," says Shawn Tierney, a

spokesperson for the Boulder, Colo.-based Access Fund, which

unsuccessfully appealed the decision. "One of our primary objections is

that this ARBITRARY BAN could be used to justify similar actions around

the country. Its a very dangerous precedent."

 

Ain't that funny. Dwayner (and archaeologist AND climber was arbitrarily

banned by cc.com for complaining about climbers abusing that cave and the

Access Fund is complaining about being arbitrarily banned.

 

ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, etc. Perhaps, worthy of bringing to public

attention, eh velvet roadhog?

 

- Dwayner

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"Hey look at that pictograph. It must have been there a thousand years. Lets screw it up!"

Frigin ignorant idiots.

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chalk is not a crime.
In this case it was a crime.

 

Nowhere does it say that the chalk placed was against the law BEFORE the ban was put in place.

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chalk is not a crime.
In this case it was a crime.

 

Nowhere does it say that the chalk placed was against the law BEFORE the ban was put in place.

i use magnesium carbonate as a dietary supplement. the_finger.gif

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So, how would you go about bolting this route...

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This is the tightest crawl I ever did in a cave. It is in Skeleton Cave--one of the lava tubes near Bend, OR.

 

Doctorb: velvet_roadhog is an avatar on this site (Pope perhaps?). He made a big splash by having no spine on his first few posts wherein I was immediately making fun of him.

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A moderator told me Dwayner was not banned but was just pretending he was as a protest confused.gif

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the way it works is that banning and unbanning are done by

the same person and the rest of us don't generally interfere.

If this was not the way of things Dwayner would have been back

a long time ago. Sorry Dwayner frown.gif

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with all due respect to pope and dwayner,their climbing accomplishments and knowledge, i am sooooooooo tired of this. anybody else? talk about beating a dead horse. come on pope, i'm sure you're capable of something new. why hit the same schtick over and over?

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