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Doctorb

Hey all you Baby Killers!

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NICE JOB, AGAIN!!!!!

 

You'd think, by now, that we'd start to feel some national guilt over this shit, but it seems we've sunk so far into our own decadance for that. I can't wait for the fall of our shitty empire, although it's going to take a while. I read last night that the US spends more annually on "defense" than Russia, China, Japan, France, and GB combined. And we wonder why people around here are so fucking stupid.

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Doctorb, you're an incendiary fucker. I could almost see your point if this were the result of genocidal tactics or was a military atrocity. But it's neither, it's simply the failure of military intelligence. Their target was believed to be at a particular location but the timing was wrong.

 

As far as morals, it's the lessor of two evils. Some innocent lives might have to be sacrificed to rid the greater evil of having their target alive to plot the death of US soldiers or even possibility US civilians. This is the problem that arises when combatants mingle with non-combatants.

 

Regarding the other situation in Iraq, I found this article interesting: MOVING TARGETS

 

Excerpts--

 

The Bush Administration has authorized a major escalation of the Special Forces covert war in Iraq. In interviews over the past month, American officials and former officials said that the main target was a hard-core group of Baathists who are believed to be behind much of the underground insurgency against the soldiers of the United States and its allies. A new Special Forces group, designated Task Force 121, has been assembled from Army Delta Force members, Navy seals, and C.I.A. paramilitary operatives, with many additional personnel ordered to report by January. Its highest priority is the neutralization of the Baathist insurgents, by capture or assassination.

 

Americans in the field are trying to solve that problem by developing a new source of information: they plan to assemble teams drawn from the upper ranks of the old Iraqi intelligence services and train them to penetrate the insurgency. The idea is for the infiltrators to provide information about individual insurgents for the Americans to act on. A former C.I.A. station chief described the strategy in simple terms: “U.S. shooters and Iraqi intelligence.” He added, “There are Iraqis in the intelligence business who have a better idea, and we’re tapping into them. We have to resuscitate Iraqi intelligence, holding our nose, and have Delta and agency shooters break down doors and take them”—the insurgents—“out.”

 

A former intelligence official said that getting inside the Baathist leadership could be compared to “fighting your way into a coconut—you bang away and bang away until you find a soft spot, and then you can clean it out.” An American who has advised the civilian authority in Baghdad said, “The only way we can win is to go unconventional. We’re going to have to play their game. Guerrilla versus guerrilla. Terrorism versus terrorism. We’ve got to scare the Iraqis into submission.”

 

The former Special Forces official warned that the problem with head-hunting is that you have to be sure “you’re hunting the right heads.” Speaking of the now coöperative former Iraqi intelligence officials, he said, “These guys have their own agenda. Will we be doing hits on grudges? When you set up host-nation elements”—units composed of Iraqis, rather than Americans—“it’s hard not to have them going off to do what they want to do. You have to keep them on a short leash.”

 

“It’s not the way we usually play ball, but if you see a couple of your guys get blown away it changes things. We did the American things—and we’ve been the nice guy. Now we’re going to be the bad guy, and being the bad guy works.”

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Looks like most folks have decided to stay out of this thread. I don't blame you. It's too easy to be misunderstood. I'm expecting the Caveman to weigh in on this and tell me I don't know jack shit again. Whatever.

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Sorry, I just can't help myself....

Doctorb said:

NICE JOB, AGAIN!!!!!

 

You'd think, by now, that we'd start to feel some national guilt over this shit, but it seems we've sunk so far into our own decadance for that. I can't wait for the fall of our shitty empire, although it's going to take a while. I read last night that the US spends more annually on "defense" than Russia, China, Japan, France, and GB combined. And we wonder why people around here are so fucking stupid.

 

Sounds like the latest copy of the Physicians For Social Responsibility newsletter just landed in your mailbox and got you all riled' up! I know it must be difficult for a person of your stature to live in a country so full of "fucking stupid" citizens, but try to at least consider it may sometimes be your ideas that require re-examination.

 

I suspect incompetent doctors have killed more children this year than American bombs.

 

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parden the interuption...but would anyone have a good reicipe for baby souffle?

 

t.i.a.

 

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Alpinfox said:

And again <---click

 

"World Socialist Website"?? Why are you hangin' out at a site like that? Are you a fuckin' commie, Alpinfox? Maybe you and DoktorB-patch-adams should go to your own chatroom and share ideas that you can impose on the rest of us. moon.gif

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whiskeybreath said:

I'm sorry, I'm to bored and shitfaced to read the whole thread. What were we talking about?

 

Idiots that done know their ass from a bumhole in the ground

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Fairweather said:

Alpinfox said:

And again <---click

 

"World Socialist Website"?? Why are you hangin' out at a site like that? Are you a fuckin' commie, Alpinfox? Maybe you and DoktorB-patch-adams should go to your own chatroom and share ideas that you can impose on the rest of us. moon.gif

 

I remembered reading a NYT article about another US military fuckup and did a google search for "us airstrike children" and that is the article that came up. However, yes, I am somewhat of a socialist. Thanks for asking.

 

 

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Alpinfox said:

Fairweather said:

Alpinfox said:

And again <---click

 

"World Socialist Website"?? Why are you hangin' out at a site like that? Are you a fuckin' commie, Alpinfox? Maybe you and DoktorB-patch-adams should go to your own chatroom and share ideas that you can impose on the rest of us. moon.gif

 

I remembered reading a NYT article about another US military fuckup and did a google search for "us airstrike children" and that is the article that came up. However, yes, I am somewhat of a socialist. Thanks for asking.

 

 

shocked.gif ya don't say!

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"I can't wait for the fall of our shitty empire, although it's going to take a while"

 

hellno3d.gif

 

I call bullshit, big internet talker. Why don't you take a moment and think about the freedom and lifestyle you enjoy. I'll bet you realize you don't mind the results, but are quick to condemn the processes. Shut the fuck up.

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