allthumbs Posted October 24, 2003 Author Share Posted October 24, 2003 jon said: trask said: smart asses that run their mouths get what they deserve Can I quote you on that later? hahaha, I knew you'd like that one bubba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EWolfe Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 jon said: trask said: smart asses that run their mouths get what they deserve Can I quote you on that later? LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klenke Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 scrambler said: This whole argument about how to solve the traffic problem reminds me... ...may arrive involuntarily. Damn, scrambler, putting things that way, we all might as well kill ourselves now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted October 24, 2003 Author Share Posted October 24, 2003 klenke said: scrambler said: This whole argument about how to solve the traffic problem reminds me... ...may arrive involuntarily. Damn, scrambler, putting things that way, we all might as well kill ourselves now. I wish you would. I hate you and scrambler. You're both hermaphrodites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klenke Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 Oh yeah, trask, well you're a troglodyte and a.... ass airhead birdbrain buffoon buffo boob boor bozo bonehead blockhead blunderer blunderbuss bugger bumpkin hick halfwit hayseed hobbyhorse horse's ass harlequin hardhead hammerhead loggerhead lunkhead lurdane lunatic loony looby lout lowbrow laughingstock oaf oddity odd ball odd man out pantaloon philistine pinhead pilgarlic punchinello mome moper moron mug idiot imbecile ignoramus flunker fool fop flibbertigibbet fathead freak fruit fruitcake nincompoop nebbish nerd nitwit noddy nudnick numskull nut Neanderthal Cro-Magnon know-nothing knucklehead kook chump chucklehead chowderhead chawbacon churl ceorl cretin clod clodpoll clown cluck clunk jerk jester jackass dimwit dingleberry dingbat dodo dope dupe dullard dunce dummy dum-dum dumbass dumbell dummkopf dumbhead dunderhead dufus dipstick dipwad dolt dork dweeb galoot gander gaby gawk geek goober goof goofball gracioso retard rube rustic sad sack scaramouche scatterbrain schlemiel schmoe schmuck schnook screwball scoundrel shit for brains simp simpleton sod spaz sprat stock stupe stupido el stupido thickhead tomfool turkey tawpie twerp twit varlet vegetable wacko wanker wittol yahoo yokel zany zero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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scott_harpell Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 klenke said: Oh yeah, trask, well you're a troglodyte and a.... ass airhead birdbrain buffoon buffo boob boor bozo bonehead blockhead blunderer blunderbuss bugger bumpkin hick halfwit hayseed hobbyhorse horse's ass harlequin hardhead hammerhead loggerhead lunkhead lurdane lunatic loony looby lout lowbrow laughingstock oaf oddity odd ball odd man out pantaloon philistine pinhead pilgarlic punchinello mome moper moron mug idiot imbecile ignoramus flunker fool fop flibbertigibbet fathead freak fruit fruitcake nincompoop nebbish nerd nitwit noddy nudnick numskull nut Neanderthal Cro-Magnon know-nothing knucklehead kook chump chucklehead chowderhead chawbacon churl ceorl cretin clod clodpoll clown cluck clunk jerk jester jackass dimwit dingleberry dingbat dodo dope dupe dullard dunce dummy dum-dum dumbass dumbell dummkopf dumbhead dunderhead dufus dipstick dipwad dolt dork dweeb galoot gander gaby gawk geek goober goof goofball gracioso retard rube rustic sad sack scaramouche scatterbrain schlemiel schmoe schmuck schnook screwball scoundrel shit for brains simp simpleton sod spaz sprat stock stupe stupido el stupido thickhead tomfool turkey tawpie twerp twit varlet vegetable wacko wanker wittol yahoo yokel zany zero shit. you really must be unemployed. how long did that take? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klenke Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 Damn, Scott, are you that much of a lurdane? How long did it take me? Geez! I've been in possession of that list for about 3 years, from when I was doing a lot of writing. It was a simple cut and paste job. Idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted October 24, 2003 Author Share Posted October 24, 2003 what's cut and paste, and how do you do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klenke Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 Oh for Chrissakes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted October 24, 2003 Author Share Posted October 24, 2003 I'm serious, you don't have to be a prick about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klenke Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 It's a nine-step program: Step 1: Get finger out of nose Step 2: Put hand on crotch Step 3: Unzip your fly Step 4: Pull out your toothpick Step 5: Stroke toothpick vigorously Step 6: Unload your mind, unload your toothpick Step 7: Wipe away mess with cotton swab Step 8: Zip back up fly Step 9: Re-insert finger into nose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted October 24, 2003 Author Share Posted October 24, 2003 dumb ass, i already knew that. just wanted to yank your chain. don't eat that booger! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EWolfe Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 klenke said: It's a nine-step program: Step 1: Get finger out of nose Step 2: Put hand on crotch Step 3: Unzip your fly Step 4: Pull out your toothpick Step 5: Stroke toothpick vigorously Step 6: Unload your mind, unload your toothpick Step 7: Wipe away mess with cotton swab Step 8: Zip back up fly Step 9: Re-insert finger into nose Hey! That's the West Virginia dance step! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted October 25, 2003 Author Share Posted October 25, 2003 ROFLMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 This whole argument about how to solve the traffic problem reminds me about something I heard about health care. The Gross Domestic Product goes up every time someone is hurt due to a social or personal disaster. A car accident produces work for the insurance man, the health care industry, the auto shops, etc. Safety measures, which would have prevented the accident, limit the expenditure and transfer of money. Disaster means that money will be spent. Consider a house that burns down. The things that can be replaced are replaced. Money, goods, and services are exchanged. Multiply that on a national scale and GDP goes up. Conversely, consider the savings that could occur if health care money were spent primarily on the preventive end rather than after the fact. With regard to spending money treating symptoms, it’s been suggested that over 80% of the total money spent in health care is spent in the last six months of terminal patients’ lives. The vast amount of money that is exchanged translates roughly into number of jobs, which also promotes social cohesion. This read's like a chapter from Bastiat's Click Economic Fallacies <-- Book Expenditures relating to the accident may go up, but the theory that the said expenditures represent a net economic plus for the country is entirely false. If this premise were true, then the best way to generate everlasting prosperity would be to destroy everything and rebuild it over an over again. The amount of wealth in and property would go down with every iteration, and the pool of capital necessary to repair the damage would shrink drastically every time - but somehow we'd all be better off. This becomes more clear when you use your own finances in the place of the economy. Let's say everything you own is destroyed in a tornado which also hospitalizes you for several months, and you have to use your savings to cover the losses (assume that they are adequate to do so). Once you cash in your savings and replenish all of your property are you any better off? No. In fact, you are worse off by the exactly the amount of property and wages that you lost. The savings that you spent to replace what was destroyed are no longer available to invest in anything that will generate income for you, the amount of property you own has not increased, and if you are forced to cover such losses again you'll be in much worse shape. The same is true for the economy. In reality no one insures themselves, but the analogy holds because the funds expended to cover the loss of property, wages, etc simply replace what was lost and in no way add to the net productive capacity of the nation. There is no net increase in jobs or wealth that results when accumulated capital is expended to replace such losses. The expenditures do lead to more work for those directly involved in replacing the property - but the net increase in property or wealth on a national level is zilch, and the said funds will not be available to invest in a new factory, more efficient machinery, additional infrastructure to further expedite the movement of goods and services, etc, etc, etc. In economics, as in thermodynamics, there is no free lunch, and increased prosperity through destruction of property, health, etc is the economic equivalent of the perpetual motion machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrambler Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 Fuck you, you fucking fuck fucker. Hey, someone found your baby picture in a trash can behind the Quickie Mart. Baby Trask Folks, don't get taken in by that baby face. Even then he was destined to become the bunghole clownpunch asseyes green choad that he is today. His one-line, crappy thread post assaults are like getting zapped by the Zeppelin of Death. Aaaaiieeee!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klenke Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 Jay: everything you say makes sense except "In economics, as in thermodynamics, there is no free lunch, and increased prosperity through destruction of property, health, etc is the economic equivalent of the perpetual motion machine." It doesn't make sense for two reasons: 1. In economics on a national or personal level, there is a such a thing as a free lunch: this would be thievery. Of course, there is a potential to get caught, so there is some risk. But, what is the risk for Saddam stealing from his own country? Overthrow by the U.S. for an entirely different matter all together? 2. The perpetual motion machine can't work for three reasons, one of which is entropy and the idea that no system is entirely frictionless. Therefore, there is always some irreversible loss of energy in the form of heat. The second reason that the perpetual motion machine can't work is that you can't create more energy than you use to create the energy. This doesn't really have a economic equivalent. If it does, it's a stretch. The third reason such a machine is not possible is that, on a thermodynamics level, you cannot achieve an infinite difference between sink and source temperatures. As long as there is a finite difference between the sink and the source there will be an inefficiency in the system that is defined (maximized) in the Carnot Cycle. This also has no economic equivalent. Lastly, your point about destruction is not applicable to the problems associated with a PMM. However, I do see what you mean nonetheless. However, you can create money from money (this is just sound investment strategy). The real problem is correlating the money factor to the social well-being factor. This is what is known as economics. The analogy to the perpetual motion machine I just don't see. Perhaps you can bullshit an answer to me so I can see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 The PPM analogy comes in because there are a number of costs - the time and expense of filing claims, taxes, bureaucracy, lost income, diminshed production, etc - that act like the economic equivalent of friction when one is replacing property that has been destroyed. Such expenses mean that when a country has to expend capital to replace material goods that have been destroyed, the nation in question always suffers a permanent loss of wealth that can never be recovered. But you were right. It would have been more correct to say "analogous to" rather than "the equivalent of." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrambler Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 Demand and consumption of goods and services increase. Which item would contribute most to the economy, a computer that does not go obsolete or one that must be replaced every so often? I'm not an economist so I basically do not care if I am right. I'm just messin' around with ideas. The details don't matter so much as the basic premise that the most efficient thing is not necessarily what is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 klenke said: Damn, Scott, are you that much of a lurdane? How long did it take me? Geez! I've been in possession of that list for about 3 years, from when I was doing a lot of writing. It was a simple cut and paste job. Idiot. i was assuming you were cutting and pasting. given the state of your fetal alcoholism, i was guessing an easy cut and paste job would take you about 6 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-rock Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 trask said: ROFLMAO Hey Trask...If you want someone to roll on the floor with, come on by. I got a big one waiting for you baby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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