skyclimb Posted June 13, 2003 Share Posted June 13, 2003 Never ridden this trail or whatever, but if some fuck wants to TRY and give me a ticket he can try to catch me. Its like DUI on a skateboard. What next?? Promote biking to prevent destruction and pollution. What do these measures do?? People who are trapped in a box, and are making rules. Lets see if they are faster than me!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Schuldt Posted June 16, 2003 Author Share Posted June 16, 2003 This has been a cc.com mini clasic. Can we keep it going with more trash? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregm Posted June 17, 2003 Share Posted June 17, 2003 WOW! i just saw some fucked up shit walking across campus. minivan going west on pacific turning north onto 15th slams into cyclist going eastbound on BG. the dude is mostly unhurt and minor damage to his bike. i don't know how the driver didn't see him or that he had the right of way other than she had her eyes closed. i gave the dude my number if he needs a witness. that driver might not like cyclists but now she can face the law. Â i know i will get slammed for this but as a cyclist i will take may chances hopping onto sidewalks at busy intersections if it helps me avoid a collision. i would rather get a $50 ticket for improper biking than get hit by a minivan. i'm amazed that guy wasn't more hurt. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted June 17, 2003 Share Posted June 17, 2003 Ouch - that's grim. My first job in Seattle was a messenger for 6 months. Compared to D.C and NYC Seattle is a pretty tame city for biking. But I kinda mix rules on my daily 30 mi commute. You have to to survive. Even if you obey all the laws the aholes will get after you. It's always heads up. I recently was in the right lane coming to a red light, usually I stay to the side by the close to the curb was full of water so I stayed in the middle. Some jerk leaned on his horn and bumped my bike from behind (at a red light!). I flipped him off he got out of his car, I dropped my bike, he got back in his car and locked it. Jerk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted June 17, 2003 Share Posted June 17, 2003 you guys should wear helmet cams and get this shit on tape! that would be for some entertaining viewing! Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelawgoddess Posted June 17, 2003 Share Posted June 17, 2003 Jim said: I flipped him off he got out of his car, I dropped my bike, he got back in his car and locked it. Jerk. Â nice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted June 17, 2003 Share Posted June 17, 2003 i got hit and run by a punk-ass kid in his mommy's teal thunderbird... i was right outside of cascade crags and they let me use their phone... got the bastard's license plate and they picked up the fucker later tha day... happened a week or so ago... so we'll see what happens to the bastard... hope he gets hung... but much thanks for the help fom the short dood at cascade crags... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelawgoddess Posted June 17, 2003 Share Posted June 17, 2003 nice work on getting the bastard's plate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted June 17, 2003 Share Posted June 17, 2003 for sure... i think i let out enought f-bombs to break the glass in his back window... i was fumin... but buddy's gonna get his... hope he gets in jail! Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Posted June 17, 2003 Share Posted June 17, 2003 My only peeve is when there are cyclists going 20 mph on a 40 mph road, and passing is either not allowed or not possible. So they hold up like 10+ cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b-rock Posted June 17, 2003 Share Posted June 17, 2003 suck it up and wait for a place to pass... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted June 17, 2003 Share Posted June 17, 2003 Curious, does the "illegal to hold up five or more cars" law apply to bikes as well? It should. That's one law the cops need to do more to enforce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Posted June 17, 2003 Share Posted June 17, 2003 It's inconsiderate of them. Just like pedestrians that take their time to cross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b-rock Posted June 17, 2003 Share Posted June 17, 2003 whatever, when i'm on my bike we all follow the same laws, that means i get the whole lane if i feel i need it. you may pass when i deem it safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted June 17, 2003 Share Posted June 17, 2003 b-rock said: whatever, when i'm on my bike we all follow the same laws, that means i get the whole lane if i feel i need it. you may pass when i deem it safe. Â Well, if that's the case, does that mean you are also subject to the "no more than 5 cars" law?!? Again, it seems that if you want to be held to the same standards for *some* laws, it should be that way for all of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b-rock Posted June 17, 2003 Share Posted June 17, 2003 uh sure, agreed. don't see why it would be necessary to keep that many motorists behind for more than just a few seconds though unless we were all moving at the speed limit. and anyways i really doubt that this happens with any regularity in practice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Posted June 17, 2003 Share Posted June 17, 2003 Cyclists are usually on small two lane roads where the room is tight and it is impossible to pass. Â Same road laws, but what about the law about holding up traffic? I don't know if it's an official statue, but automobile drivers can be ticketed for driving too slow and holding up traffic. They're expected to pull off to the side of the road and allow others to pass them. Even if you're not legally required by the law to do that, it's still just common courtesy and and about being considerate of others on the road. Â As a pedestrian, I always cross the cross walk quickly. As a driver, I never occupy the passing (fast) lane if I see someone else behind me who wants to go faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b-rock Posted June 17, 2003 Share Posted June 17, 2003 are you from the east coast? maybe you just need to slow down a bit ha ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted June 17, 2003 Share Posted June 17, 2003 Kiwi said: Cyclists are usually on small two lane roads where the room is tight and it is impossible to pass. Â Â Bike commuters cycle in town or just outside. Every where I bike there is plenty of room to pass. If not, it's only for a second or two. Folks in cars sometimes just get amped and take out their life frustrations on the cyclist. La-mo redirected aggression Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted June 17, 2003 Share Posted June 17, 2003 I dunno, i've really never had much problem with cyclists on the road before. I think most are courtious and more importantly, most realize that despite issues of right or wrong, if they get hit by a car, they will lose. I find other idiotic car drivers much more of a problem. The left lane hogs around here are particularly bad. 3 vehicles in 3 different lanes all driving the same speed next to each other seems to be a washington tradition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Posted June 17, 2003 Share Posted June 17, 2003 I admit, I speed. But I've also been the 'slow car' on the road myself. And yes, I change lanes or pull over in those situations. Â But that is not the issue. A cyclist going 20 mph on a 35 mph road in heavy traffic is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted June 17, 2003 Share Posted June 17, 2003 No problem there. Won't find me on roads that are 40 mph and no room to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted June 17, 2003 Share Posted June 17, 2003 DONT REMEMBER CARS ARE WEAPONS TREAT THEM AS SUCH Â IF YOU WANT TO RUN OVER SOMEONE THINK OF THEM BEING YOUR KID OR SOMETHING. Â YOU WANNA RUN YOUR KID OVER? NOW THINK HOW THAT PERSONS FAMILY WILL FEEL. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Posted June 17, 2003 Share Posted June 17, 2003 JoshK said: The left lane hogs around here are particularly bad. 3 vehicles in 3 different lanes all driving the same speed next to each other seems to be a washington tradition. Argh! Don't get me started. Â The left lane is reserved for cars that are passing (or driving fast). I see cars hold up other drivers all the time. Sure, these cars could always pass them using the right lane, but they shouldn't. Car poolers who hog up the HOV lane piss me off too. Â One should always leave room for drivers behind them to pass. Drivers who drive side by side next to another car are so inconsiderate. I see it in traffic all the time. Traffic density is not gradual, but quantitative. You can see it clearly. You see packets of traffic helld up by three or more cars driving side by side at the same speed. No one behind them can pass. There is usually a quarter mile or 10 car lengths between each traffic quanta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b-rock Posted June 17, 2003 Share Posted June 17, 2003 Kiwi said: A cyclist going 20 mph on a 35 mph road in heavy traffic is wrong. Â Wrong morally? Wrong legally? Whatever dude. I pay taxes too, we share the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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