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Dustin_B

Marmot's new "900-fill" down ???

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Ah, hell, all gear weighs more than advertised, excepting the Golite stuff. My Golite jackets weighs 7oz less than advertised, and this is in size large.

 

Buyer beware...

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Generally, yes, but this is a big glaring one, and given claims of Marmot's superior products, I can't wait to see an explanation.

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Nope, 7oz on a 3lb sleeping bag isn't uncommon. You won't get an answer. Just take a scale when you go shopping. It's doesn't help when you use long sleeping bags, XL clothes, 14 boots, etc. Gets heavy fast.

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The bag is advertised at 2#4 oz. 7 oz is about a 20% discrepancy. Common, yes acceptable, no.

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Hello,

Marmot has been making down products for 28+ years. Remember the Eiger Sanction? Marmots first big order was making 108 puffy down jackets for the movie. I do work part time for Marmot Mountain Ltd, so I can share what I do know.

 

Most of our down is sourced from eastern Europe, primarily Poland, from 2-4 yr old geese. Most of the down that comes from asia is from young "immature" geese usually not over 16 months old. The European down provides the high quality fill down.

 

Marmot does test down out of every 16lb bag of down that we receive from our supplier. This testing is done in-house at Santa Rosa, Ca. - I have seen the down testing room and the test results.

 

Marmot also sends samples to the International Down and Feather testing laboratory...yes there really is such a place...located in Salt Lake City. The IDFL is an independent testing company. I have their test results on paper as well.

 

The results from both tests are then matched up to ensure and verify that the down fill power is what it is claimed by the supplier and by Marmot.

 

Believe it or not...but there isn't a "goose-down Cop" writing tickets to companies because their down fill-power isn't really what they claim. Anyone (ie. company) can claim their down is "XXX" fill power and not be held legally accountable.

 

Marmot consistently tests to uphold our standards for quality...not someone elses. Every 800 & 900 fill bag from Marmot has a certification tag with a # on it that matches what batch of down the bag was filled from. Marmot also doesn't bash other companies for their claims...but we can certainly verify our fill power from an independent tester and our own in-house tests.

 

Just thought some of you folks might be interested in our process of bags and fill-power.

 

 

 

 

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When are they gonna genetically engineer geese to produce 1800 fill power down. cantfocus.gif They might look funny though.

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I think you should let us know what the name is for your so-called 900 down fill source.

 

900 fill is theoretically possible, it's just not been available in amounts that would allow a bag to go into production.

 

Also I am waiting for a response on the Fusion weight issue!

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Dear Contentious,

Easy there naysayers... just cuz you haven't seen it or done it- I'll happily provide you with the test results from Marmots AND from the IDFL. Most of our 800 bags are testing at over 900 fill...

 

I know the sphinx was a myth which could easily explain your attitude...

 

As for you "so-called Allison"- how do you have a clue as to what down is available or not on the market? I'll be glad to speak further with you if you're a little more respectful and not so aggro....

 

 

 

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I'd just like to know how we can believe any of your claims when Marmot can't even be trusted to properly weigh a sleeping bag.

 

 

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allison is all-knowing and usually wrong

 

but anyway here is a marmot

i dont see any feathers confused.gif

EXPLAIN THAT HUH!!!!!

 

marmot.jpg

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Dear Contentious,

Easy there naysayers... just cuz you haven't seen it or done it- I'll happily provide you with the test results from Marmots AND from the IDFL. Most of our 800 bags are testing at over 900 fill...

 

I know the sphinx was a myth which could easily explain your attitude...

 

As for you "so-called Allison"- how do you have a clue as to what down is available or not on the market? I'll be glad to speak further with you if you're a little more respectful and not so aggro....

 

yellaf.gif this thread has actually become mildly entertaining thumbs_up.gif

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ALLISON ALL MANUFACTURE WIEGHTS ARE OFF MOST OF THE TIME IN ALL INDUSTRIES..

 

 

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maybe it was from geese that were raised near a gravitational high on the planet. yellowsleep.gif

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So Erik, that said, I guess we should just expect the manufacturers to lie or get wrong the weights AS WELL AS the down fill and other details.

 

Is that what you are saying?

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if the bag has duck hunting montages displayed on the inside, sold! bigdrink.gif

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allison said:

So Erik, that said, I guess we should just expect the manufacturers to lie or get wrong the weights AS WELL AS the down fill and other details.

 

Is that what you are saying?

 

its called CAVEAT EMPTOR

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ALLISON

 

NO.

 

I AM SAYING ALL MANUFACTURES PUT THE #'S IN THEIR FAVOR!!!!

 

MAYBE THE 1ST PROTOTYPE BAG WIEGHED 7OZ LESS THEN THE ONE YOU BOUGHT?

 

I DUNNO

 

I PERSONALLY THINK THE WEIGHT ISSUE IT FUNNY.

 

THEN AGAIN YOU WONT CATCH ME SLOGGING UP HILL FOR DAZE ON END EITHER..

 

I FIGURE GEAR IS NOT AN EXCUSE, IT ONLY MAKES OUR ADVENTURES MORE PERSONALLY ENJOYABLE.

 

TA TA wave.gif

 

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If you look in the Climbing Gear Guide, you will see that supposedly the yellow and red Koflach double plastic boots, weigh less than ANY leather boot OR the scarpa alphas yellaf.gif

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Dear Mr. Marmot Person:

I have read several reviews about sleeping bags, and sleeping bag fills, by people who know what they are talking about. Andy Kirkpatrick says that 900 fill down is a myth, and that testing results differ from lab to lab. And it is well know that fill ratings are only accurate to a few percent.

 

But fill powers aren't my beef. While I don't believe the vast majority of manufacturer claims, as most are false, I don't like the fact the manufacturers can't give decent weights for their producst. While it sounds like a shameless plug, Golite is the only one who gives reasonably accuarate weights.

 

Get all huffy now. I don't buy Marmot for a variety of reasons. the_finger.gif

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citizen_dragon said:

I'll be glad to speak further with you if you're a little more respectful and not so aggro....

 

 

 

Oh, and get off your soapbox. You sound like an idiot.

 

PS Alison, calm down, get a nice scale and weigh everything yourself. Or buy WM.

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Dru said:

If you look in the Climbing Gear Guide, you will see that supposedly the yellow and red Koflach double plastic boots, weigh less than ANY leather boot OR the scarpa alphas yellaf.gif

 

i know that the red ones are lighter than most rigid leather boots...

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i can tell ya the yellow ones weigh about 50% more than the Scarpa Freneys...Gear Guide sez yellow and red are same weight and that they are about 40% lighter rolleyes.gif than Freneys... hum...

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