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MtnGoat said:

Actual public opinion on his policies was provided with the election blowout of Nov 2002. A zillion appeasement monkeys in the streets isn't democracy, it's a mob. wink.gif

 

How are 2002 election results even remotely related to worldwide public reaction to events in 2003? Is racial segregation ok because it was approved by voters at one time, even though times and opinions have changed? hellno3d.gif

 

Democracy is not confined to the restricted venue of the polls. The First Amendment guarantees that.

 

Sorry to derail the train of stupidity in this thread... boxing_smiley.gif

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What was it that was/is sooo scary about those terrorists? It was/is that they will not listen to reason. You cannot negotiate with them. All they want is us dead.

 

Sound familiar? George Bush has now demonstrated that he has become (always was?) one of them. One of them who will not listen to anyone. One of them who will not stop until war is carried out. He cannot be swayed no matter what anyone does. He has become scary and dangerous, just like the terrorists.

 

I guess that's what a lot of you pro war people are for. Right? Fight fire with fire! We can out-terror the terrorists. (Consistent with our attempts to protect our liberties by removing them)

 

Terrorism is random violence designed to scare people into doing what you want. The US of A is becoming the best armed terrorist group in the world. We are threatening massive destruction in seemingly random way. There are no voiced reasons to attack Iraq that are logically consistent with reality and actions we are taking in the rest of the world. Plus, we are acting like we don't care what the rest of the world or even our own populace thinks!! We are acting like mad dogs, surly drunks, ... terrorists.

 

Or maybe it's a bluff. What better way to stay out of a fight than to convincingly act like a homicidal maniac? Our actions are still consistent with this theory. I hope it's the case. I hope Saddam hurries up and blinks.

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It IS! cantfocus.gif

You would think so. BTW, you're the ugliest skank I've ever seen. shocked.gif

 

THAT's a fine thing to say to my avatar. After all, I got the photo from your collection of poloroids on your bedroom mirror last time I broke into your house looking for assault weapons and explosives. btw, those are some mighty fine 5-leaved plants you've got growin in your basement.....

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"Chavez is the democratically elected "socialist" president of Venezuela MtnGoat was calling on to resign before his term ended, just because there's big protests against him in his country."

 

If you're gonna use me in your statements, better make sure I said what you claim. I never commented on Chavez.

 

 

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"How are 2002 election results even remotely related to worldwide public reaction to events in 2003?"

 

Because those that control public policy of the US are US citizens, not the public worldwide, and rightly so.

 

 

"Is racial segregation ok because it was approved by voters at one time, even though times and opinions have changed?"

 

Nope. And it's still not OK when practiced by "progressives" intent on using discrimination for their purposes. It seems we both agree some issues are simply not within the purview of a majority to vote on.

 

"Democracy is not confined to the restricted venue of the polls. The First Amendment guarantees that."

 

No, it guarantees free speech. The rest of the constitution clearly outlines the operation of constitutional democracy. And taking "vote" by mob demonstration is not listed.

 

 

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"What was it that was/is sooo scary about those terrorists? It was/is that they will not listen to reason. You cannot negotiate with them. All they want is us dead."

 

We don't negotiate with any number of criminals either. What a rapist, murderer, or psychopath wants is irrelevant.

 

We don't measure a stance against them by wether those who oppose them negotiate with them.

 

We don't measure a stance agaisnt murderers by wether it's necessary to shoot them to keep them from killing more people. This argument is simply relativism devoid of any recognition of context.

 

 

"One of them who will not listen to anyone."

 

Since when was listening synonomous with agreement? I'm listening to you, and yet still do not agree. Not agreeing is not proof someone isn't listening.

 

"(Consistent with our attempts to protect our liberties by removing them)"

 

I'm certain you also are consistent and apply this thinking to "protection" of our freedom by removal of the liberty to put what you want in your body, hire who you want, sell what you want to willing customers, control your own private property, and other such issues. Liberties are not just those you are referring to here, they encompass every issue of a persons right to own their own bodies, their actions, and their labor.

 

Until such time as you are as concerned about *all* liberties of peaceful people, including the liberties daily curtailed as part of a domestic agenda for social "good", excuse me if I don't take this very seriously.

 

" There are no voiced reasons to attack Iraq that are logically consistent with reality and actions we are taking in the rest of the world. "

 

Sure there are. We're taking action in concert with nations all over the world that work with us, witness the Al Queda arrests all over europe, in SE asia and pacific and elsewhere. We're working with all the nations that we have relations good enough to cooperate with, and taking action also against the ones who won't. Each differing nation has a different set of circumstances and necessitates different treatment.

 

Your refusal to acknowledge all these ongoing efforts does not mean they are not happening, and it does not mean our actions are not consistent with what the goal is.

 

"Plus, we are acting like we don't care what the rest of the world or even our own populace thinks!!"

 

What our populace thinks was voted on in Nov 2002, when Reps were handed control of both house and senate. What some very loud people do in the streets, is counterbalanced fully by the results in the midterm.

 

 

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MtnGoat said:

What our populace thinks was voted on in Nov 2002, when Reps were handed control of both house and senate. What some very loud people do in the streets, is counterbalanced fully by the results in the midterm.

 

Sorry, man, but you're reaching way too far yet again. I must have been unclear in my last post by mentioning "world" opinion rather than "domestic" opinion. Voting for a representative does not imply agreement with all their future actions. The further apart the vote and the action in question are, the more tenuous the argument that the vote implies agreement with the action.

 

Even if I voted for Bush and a Republican Congress, did I vote for all decisions that led to the current international situation? Of course not! So how can it be implied that, by voting for the current administration, I agree with any decision they might make?

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MtnGoat said:

"Chavez is the democratically elected "socialist" president of Venezuela MtnGoat was calling on to resign before his term ended, just because there's big protests against him in his country."

 

If you're gonna use me in your statements, better make sure I said what you claim. I never commented on Chavez.

 

 

well if it wasnt you who was it??? don't just stand there telling me im wrong, research and find out who DID say it. it was someone making 5 paragraph rebuttals to sexy choco... you think IM gonna look thru 15 pages of that BSpay again hellno3d.gifhellno3d.gifhellno3d.gifhellno3d.gifhellno3d.gifhellno3d.gifhellno3d.gif

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