Scott_J Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 awwwwww the K man...he is so self-righteous that it is sick. I was living in Alaska when the young man died in his van in the wilderness. K did all this quasi psyco analysis of a youngster that screwed up plain and simple. Then the Everest thing came and went and he just flogged Anatoli to death when in fact MR. K could of been in the lime light as a rescuer, but he did not have the stamina of the Ruski so what did he do, slam him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollyclimber Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 Now, lets all be clear about this...I like Matt. He is a cool guy, and even if he wasn't, I like everyone who shows up at Pub Club because that is real life and its good to interact in the real world as well as in this fun-playground of a website. As I said in the other forum today, I totally disagree about needing anything to change on this site. And, if there are people who don't post here because of the spray, WHO CARES? Is this supposed to be an effort to make sure that every climber in the NW posts to this site? Is it like a public building that we have to make sure is accessible for all of society. No, its a stupid climbing site where we say a bunch of dumb stuff, insult each other, ask advice and occasionally get answers. The reality is, it is not going to change, so why wish for something that will never happen. This site would be SO boring if it was super polite and just about route beta or something. As much as I can't stand pencil neck, its fun to watch everyone spar with him. And, hey, did you know that Dan Larsen wants to climb Mt Rainier again? (No-oooo, you don't say?) Its a funny site, and I have zero problems with it the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeadam Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 Damn...Whillans would be proud Holly <sniffle>. Matt, sweet! Way to whip up the dogs. It's been pretty toned down around here lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 Goldangit, who the heck likes Norman Mailer? Damnit, and do we climb mountains or do they climb us? ANSWER ME!!!! And Sisu Suomi: puhutko suomen-kielta? Terve suomalainen! Tykkaatko Norman Mailerista? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 Who is the best writer of all time? I say.... NORMAN MAILER!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollyclimber Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 Mr chocolate----- I just can't answer your intensely introspective questions, they hurt my brain. Its just climbing, don't think about it. Go talk about your author on the what do you read thread...maybe someone else will have an opinion on him. I have never heard of him. [This message has been edited by hollyclimber (edited 10-17-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizard_brain Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 Krakauer is no Ed Abbey - well thank god for that! There's a writer that'll put me to sleep in no time. I laughed out loud while reading Desert Solitaire. What arrogance "...Abbey's Land...". Gimme a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jblakley Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 "There is no reality, only perception" Someone Famous [This message has been edited by jblakley (edited 10-17-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 Don't fuck with Ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 Jon Krakauer is no.... Norman Mailer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizard_brain Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 "Reality is perceived, and therefore varies." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 Consider this: Jon Krakauer may write the story, but his work does go through an editor who works for a publisher whos job it is to sell books. And what does it take to sell books? Something that the general public can either relate to or be fascinated by, or both. Also, stirring up a little contreversy goes a long way in to the publishers bottom line. To debate the character Jon Krakauer in this forum is silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 So lizard brain thinks there IS a reality, something objective that stands apart from our perception, and it's our perception that changes or distorts it. Whereas JBlakeley seems to feel that there is NO reality, just our perception, period. Hmmmmm.... the plot thickens.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottP Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 quote: Originally posted by Dru: I put Jon Krakauer in the Outside School of Journalism with guys like Tim Cahill that can't write three sentences without mentioning themselves. You notice they don't ever write "The landscape was beautiful and desolate", they write "I saw the landscape as beautiful and desolate." Unending me me me me me all thru every book. Is this really a good reason to despise someone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 Seems to me most hardcore climbers I've met have big egos. Some just keep em in check better than others. Ego goes hand in hand with competition and success. Y'all don't have to like the fucker, but he CAN climb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 Whereas Doug seems to feel that "Jon Krakauer" doesn't exist. He's just a manipulated perception, and shouldn't even be talked about. Hmmmm.... What do YOU think? Should we or should we not talk about Jon Krakauer? Well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottP Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 I once shared belay stances with Krakauer on Centerfold at Index. From this perception, he is as humble and pleasant as everyone else who has met him has mentioned here. Defining someone based on their writing style seems pretty myopic to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 Or should we talk about Norman Mailer instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jblakley Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 quote: Originally posted by sexual chocolate: So lizard brain thinks there IS a reality, something objective that stands apart from our perception, and it's our perception that changes or distorts it. Whereas JBlakeley seems to feel that there is NO reality, just our perception, period. Hmmmmm.... the plot thickens.... And Sexual Chocolate thinks that Moonprancing is the glue that binds the known universe together. The plot slickens... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob_Clarke Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 Holly - I thought Chocolate was a chick. He's a guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 I must go on record as saying I have NEVER shared a belay-stance with Jon Krakauer. Was he sexy? Norman Mailer is definitely NOT sexy. Who thinks Jon Krakauer is sexy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jblakley Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 quote: Originally posted by Ropegun2001: Holly - I thought Chocolate was a chick. He's a guy? I think this individual is non-gender specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 Has anyone here actually KISSED Jon Krakauer? I never have.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 i'm not dissing Krakauer ( a good climber or so I hear) just his writing, which sucks. you can be a good person and still write shit. or vice versa But jk writing is not as bad as Andrew Todhunter's writing (which blows wet chunks). "I know, me me me, I will write a book about Dan osman which is really all about me and how I am scared to solo, mE me me me me. osman is braver than me so he must be warped. me me me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 Choco-nut Mailer should move to Utah and change his name to Mormon Nailer and do a bunch of Zion aid. Then I will read him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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