Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Don't people learn anything from history? Apparently not ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 You are right, Chocalate, the right wing propaganda machine is very successful and we do seem to forget our history! Most Americans believe that Iraqi's were among the 9/11 hijackers (there were none) and that Saddam had something to do with the 9/11 attacks (I don't even think Bush's people have said that he did). It is amazing that people like Cracked, GregW, Cavey, and Muffy think that peace marches usually turn violent when, as we have seen, nobody here can think if a single incident where this has happened since 1968!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Don't people learn anything from history? Apparently not ... Thanks for proving that you have no clue about what I am alluding to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 I pointed out my example. It is not my fault tht it did not meat your criteria. honestly I don't know any one who believes Most Americans believe that Iraqi's were among the 9/11 hijackers (there were none) and that Saddam had something to do with the 9/11 attacks (I don't even think Bush's people have said that he did). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Thanks for proving yourself, again, to be too stick-up-the-ass to grasp even the most blatant and elementary joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 honestly I don't know any one who believes Most Americans believe that Iraqi's were among the 9/11 hijackers (there were none) and that Saddam had something to do with the 9/11 attacks (I don't even think Bush's people have said that he did). recent poll said 50% of americans believed the latter..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 I pointed out my example. It is not my fault tht it did not meat your criteria. Its not my fault, Muffy, that you can't see the difference between a bunch of environmental activists who go beserk over the cutting of a tree in downtown Eugene and a broad coaliation of churches, various political groups, and even some veterans' organizations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 honestly I don't know any one who believes Most Americans believe that Iraqi's were among the 9/11 hijackers (there were none) and that Saddam had something to do with the 9/11 attacks (I don't even think Bush's people have said that he did). Another recent poll said over 50% believed the former. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 honestly I don't know any one who believes Most Americans believe that Iraqi's were among the 9/11 hijackers (there were none) and that Saddam had something to do with the 9/11 attacks (I don't even think Bush's people have said that he did). recent poll said 50% of americans believed the latter..... yes but whos poll? come on now.... lts be a little skeptical I do not personali know any one who believes that. I am not saying there is no way it could be true... lets face it, ANYTHING is possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 anything is possible if you cite Fox News as your primary source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 yes but whos poll? come on now.... lts be a little skeptical I do not personali know any one who believes that. I am not saying there is no way it could be true... lets face it, ANYTHING is possible Good point, Muffy. I should perhaps take such polls with a grain of salt. But allowing for some error in the analysis, it still amazes me that ANYBODY could believe those things. You may think it it time to go into Iraq, but how could you think Iraq was responsible for 9/11 if you have been reading the newspapers - even the most conservative ones - for the last two years? Apparently, we here on the West coast are living in an isolated enclave. Some guy on NPR was saying just yesterday that opinions in the hinterlands and even in the socially liberal Northeast are very different from those held on the West Coast when it comes to this war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 I pointed out my example. It is not my fault tht it did not meat your criteria. Its not my fault, Muffy, that you can't see the difference between a bunch of environmental activists who go beserk over the cutting of a tree in downtown Eugene and a broad coaliation of churches, various political groups, and even some veterans' organizations. I am sure seatle is verry differnt than eugene. Here it seems to be the SAME people who put together, thease type of things. mAtt you are boring me buddy. No offense, but you can not convince me that a large emotional group of people is a safe place to be. Fanatics are fanatics weather they say they are from a church or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 yes but whos poll? come on now.... lts be a little skeptical I do not personali know any one who believes that. I am not saying there is no way it could be true... lets face it, ANYTHING is possible Good point, Muffy. I should perhaps take such polls with a grain of salt. But allowing for some error in the analysis, it still amazes me that ANYBODY could believe those things. You may think it it time to go into Iraq, but how could you think Iraq was responsible for 9/11 if you have been reading the newspapers - even the most conservative ones - for the last two years? Apparently, we here on the West coast are living in an isolated enclave. Some guy on NPR was saying just yesterday that opinions in the hinterlands and even in the socially liberal Northeast are very different from those held on the West Coast when it comes to this war. I agree matt. It amazes me as well. I am not pro war. I am just not pro peace at any cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 I am sure seatle is verry differnt than eugene. Here it seems to be the SAME people who put together, thease type of things. mAtt you are boring me buddy. No offense, but you can not convince me that a large emotional group of people is a safe place to be. Fanatics are fanatics weather they say they are from a church or not. Muffy, I am hurt that you would say I am boring you. You are right that a large group of emotional fanatics is not safe, but most of the poeple who have attended peace marches at any time since the Vietnam era have not been in any kind of emotionally charged state. It is fair enough to express your concerns and I wouldn't expect you to want to be some place where you might feel at risk, but I was responding to the statement that "peace marches often turn violent" and I believe that is completely untrue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Matt, be honest, the real reason you like rallies and such is to get out of the house and away from that damn "honey-do" list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Trask - You misunderstand the situation. The rally is on the Honey-Do list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 I am sure seatle is verry differnt than eugene. Here it seems to be the SAME people who put together, thease type of things. mAtt you are boring me buddy. No offense, but you can not convince me that a large emotional group of people is a safe place to be. Fanatics are fanatics weather they say they are from a church or not. Muffy, I am hurt that you would say I am boring you. You are right that a large group of emotional fanatics is not safe, but most of the poeple who have attended peace marches at any time since the Vietnam era have not been in any kind of emotionally charged state. It is fair enough to express your concerns and I wouldn't expect you to want to be some place where you might feel at risk, but I was responding to the statement that "peace marches often turn violent" and I believe that is completely untrue. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. And I don't think I said that peac rally turn to violence, I think Greg did. I was just sort of agreeing with him. lets face it... people are nuts, they Riot over things like football totaly blows my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Trask - You misunderstand the situation. The rally is on the Honey-Do list. OMG, you married a flower child. Well screw that, let's go golfing instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrueger Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 I just can't believe that the people showing up for a peace march would bring their clubs and helmets with the intent of causing physical harm and doing damage. The most dangerous weapon I've ever seen at a peaceful gathering is a candle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegetablebelay Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Well if a few of your Oregon anarchists show up as they have for other rallies, you may just have your eyes opened up for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Well if a few of your Oregon anarchists show up as they have for other rallies, you may just have your eyes opened up for you. GOOD POINT thank you veggie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrueger Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 I've had my car walked over and jumped on by those guys while I was in it. I'm not naive. It's not an anarchist rally, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Oregon = Homegrown Anarchists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 We're not talking WTO here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 (edited) Oregon = Homegrown Anarchists yes and we have a huge population( of said wankers) right here in Eugene Edited February 13, 2003 by Muffy_The_Wanker_Sprayer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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