Bronco Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 3 oz Dragonfly from patagonia. anyone tried it? Looks too light to be real, but, I'd save about 1.5 pounds over my Dimension Jacket and even heavier Gortex Jacket. Looks like Golite has a similar (cheaper) one. image bastards! anyone see what I done wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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allthumbs Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 That Dragonfly is allot of money for a bit of nylon. I got mine at West Marine (us boat guys have the same clothing needs) for $15 and it's pretty damn close. Whatever, it's your money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BURP Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 That Dragonfly is allot of money for a bit of nylon. I got mine at West Marine (us boat guys have the same clothing needs) for $15 and it's pretty damn close. Whatever, it's your money. they let us out of spray! GAH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 Although I love light gear, the Dragonfly isn't going to be very windproof, durable, water resistant, etc. I think I saw them at Feathered Friends. It's meant as a light windshirt for milder conditions. You might want to check out the Epic windshirts made by Golite, Wild Things, FF, etc, which are windproof and supposed to be very water resistant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeclimb9 Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 The Dragonfly wouldn't be the jacket to wear in a downpour. (But then, neither would a Gore-tex jacket, IMO). It would be great for a wind and wet shedding garment on long climbs, trail runs, etc. where weight and space are at a premium (the thing stuffs into a fist-sized package). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attitude Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 3 oz Dragonfly from patagonia. anyone tried it? Looks too light to be real, but, I'd save about 1.5 pounds over my Dimension Jacket and even heavier Gortex Jacket. Looks like Golite has a similar (cheaper) one. image bastards! anyone see what I done wrong? I have a similar windshirt from Montane that I take on every trip. The material is water resistant, not waterproof, so it sheds off mist and light rain and snow, but you'll probably get soaked in a downpour. I wear it over a base layer while moving in cold weather, and will layer fleece insulation under it in when moving slowly. I still carry a light waterproof, breathable jacket in my pack, but only use it in the rain. Works for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allison Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 It's hard to see what kind of a piece you are after, comparing your Goretex to a little shell thingy like that. If it's light foul-weather stuff you are after, the MEC Helios might do the trick. If it's for lighter weather, there is a lot out there that is not made by Patagucci, and will thereby be cheaper. The Marmot Precip's a nice piece, and REI's got some decent shell pieces in their line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwills Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 won't do much in keeping you dry - just some nylon with DWR. i have the epic windshirt from Wild Things and use it spring through fall. check their website, they were selling them for ~$50. great piece and much more durable than any lightweight nylon . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daisy Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 Alli, I find that nice, tight leather pants make a good wind breaker. Don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambone Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 they let us out of spray! GAH! Watch it buddy, your in my house now... Bronco, My wife was using a Patagonia Neumatic (light weight/water resistant/ windproof) shell on Glacier peak this summer. Needless to say, it wasn't "cuttin the mustard" so to speak... When the shit hits the fan, you'll quickly forget about the numbers in the catalogs and want a real coat. Otherwise, don't ever get caught up high in a bad storm.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 A real coat being waterproof? Or body armor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambone Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 "Real" coat meaning not a windbreaker. I don't believe in the term waterproof, but there is something to be said for three ply Gor-tex when its raining sideways at 33 degrees f. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_Simpkins Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 I have a Marmot Lightspeed Jacket. Kicks ass. Light as hell for the amount of protection it gives you . Been in downpoors,heavy wind and bushwacked a lot in it. Durable. In general, to save weight on jackets, I NEVER compromise on the material, get the good stuff. Don't get the coats that have tons of bells and whistles. They just add weight. Heavy metal zippers add weight. Cool mesh lining adds weight. I don't find it usefull if you are wearing a layer underneathe anyway. A lot of jackets have a lot of crap on them you don't need. What you need are, 2 pockets, pit zips, a hood, durable, and good waterproof/breathable material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leejams Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 Wild things are having a decent sale on last year's product line. I picked up 2 windshirts pretty reasonable. http://www.wildthingsgear.com/lysale.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allison Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 In general, to save weight on jackets, I NEVER compromise on the material, get the good stuff. Don't get the coats that have tons of bells and whistles. They just add weight. Heavy metal zippers add weight. Cool mesh lining adds weight. I don't find it useful if you are wearing a layer underneathe anyway. A lot of jackets have a lot of crap on them you don't need. What you need are, 2 pockets, pit zips, a hood, durable, and good waterproof/breathable material. Yep, and Bill has exactly described the MEC Helios here. I actually got the Cabrio, a little bit heavier, right at one pound with hood, despite being a lightweight freak, because I am one of those people who, er, enjoys, um, bushwhacking. My stuff sees abrasion abuse. Talk more about windshells that repel water a little bit. All I have in this category is going to need to be replaced this year I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 When the shit hits the fan, you'll quickly forget about the numbers in the catalogs and want a real coat. Otherwise, don't ever get caught up high in a bad storm.... I agree Lambone, and it's nice to have a heavier coat on routes where ice rains down on you to absorb some of the pain. The psychological comfort of xcr body armor is nice in a good cascade blizzard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attitude Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 A lot of jackets have a lot of crap on them you don't need. What you need are, 2 pockets, pit zips, a hood, durable, and good waterproof/breathable material. Marmot Precip. Any real complaints about this jacket? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeclimb9 Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 tight leather pants make a good wind breaker. [joke]So do a belly full of beans.[/joke] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambone Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 Marmot Precip. Any real complaints about this jacket? Yeah I've had one for two years now. The fit totally sucks, I could make a trimmer coat out of a garbage bag. And it's only water proof for about 20 minutes when it's really raining out. Better for walkin the dog than anything else... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 "If it's for lighter weather, there is a lot out there that is not made by Patagucci, and will thereby be cheaper." Of course you can always call up an outlet (patagonia, sierratradingpost,...) and get what you want for alot less.... The Dragonfly is see through (no joke). Might work ok for a warm summer rain, probably not much more. I've had good luck with the Essenshell Pullover - weighs 12-13oz or so. 2 pockets, good hood, doesn't layer badly - arm fit is a little loose though. Has worked nicely on Hood this winter (which I suppose makes it a good summer jacket). And since they can't seem to give them away they've been dirt cheap this year at the outlets (no more than $50, depending on what color). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeclimb9 Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 waterproof: (cagoule from campmor) I've had one of these for years. It goes on trips for 3 seasons of the year. When it rains, I'm dry. waterproof: (foul weather gear from Helly Hansen) I've lived in this stuff for weeks at a time. Bombproof, but better used in work environments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 How Light is too light? 3.2% or under Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Posted February 12, 2003 Author Share Posted February 12, 2003 How Light is too light? 3.2% or under I agree with you there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeclimb9 Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 How Light is too light? 3.2% or under I've found through extensive research that 3.2% beer will, in fact, get you drunk. Eventually. About the same time you start belching foam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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