Dustin_B Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 I'm looking for a carry over pack in the 2500 in^3 size range. I think I've narrowed it down to three packs. The Cold Cold World 'Valdez', the Marmot 'Eiger', and the Wild Things 'Roc Sac' (possibly the Black Diamond 'Stone Pack' too). I need to able to rock/ice climb with this pack on so helmet clearance with the top of the pack (when looking up) is important. I like the foam and/or removable stay for this and I believe all the packs I mention have this. Of course weight is a concern too. Does anyone have opinions on any of these packs? Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin_B Posted February 3, 2003 Author Share Posted February 3, 2003 just trying to get this into the "current threads" section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimL Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 I have a Wild Things Ice Sac that I really like for carry overs and pretty much has all the features you mentioned. Check it out. I think both Pro Mountain Sports and Feathered Friends carrys them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimL Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 (edited) Edited February 3, 2003 by TimL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 word round here is that the Ice Sack is not what it used to be (i.e. a few years ago?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin_B Posted February 3, 2003 Author Share Posted February 3, 2003 I have a Wild Things Ice Sac that I really like for carry overs and pretty much has all the features you mentioned. Check it out. I think both Pro Mountain Sports and Feathered Friends carrys them. Â Yeah, I looked into the Ice Sac, even tried it out at PMS. It is just bigger than I need. I already have a ~3500 in^3 pack that weighs about 4 lbs. I want something smaller and lighter. Thanks for the advice though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 I recently picked up an arcteryx Khamsin 38. Like it a lot, very comfy, very light, carries pretty well, climbs even better, removable frame sheet and weighs less than 3 lbs. Being made from spectra, I don't expect it to last forever, but, I don't climb enough to wear it out anytime soon. Â it carries and climbs better than my BD Icepack, which is real similar to the stone pack except the tubes and crampon pouch. Â don't know much about those others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miller Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 i love cold cold world packs. cant say enough about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeclimb9 Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 i love cold cold world packs. cant say enough about them. Outside of the non-angled hip-belt, "I concur". You'd be hard pressed to find a better pack without getting one custom made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwills Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 ccw valdez is a great pack - love mine! wild things packs are nice too, but the lids are enough to make me not buy them . if someone knows why the openings on the lids are as small as possible, please tell me. Â for something more analogue, check this out. Â freeclimb9 - when you say "angled", are you speaking of that fancy themo-moulded padding used in produciton packs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 I've used the Marmot Eiger as carry over for several years - nice light pack. However, Marmot keeps changing it a little - I tried one on last year that a section of the shoulder straps that continue behind you neck - I found this uncomfortable. Load it up in the store and give it a try, YMMV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 word round here is that the Ice Sack is not what it used to be (i.e. a few years ago?) Â I think that has to do with materials. Also note that the ice sac is simple to compress. If that's too much maintenance for the diversity well.. get something else. I've used it in so many situations I am convinced it is a great pack. Â I do hear lots of good things about Cold Cold world. THey must be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott_J Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 word round here is that the Ice Sack is not what it used to be (i.e. a few years ago?) This topic was discussed b/4. Wild Things has replaced the "shitty" material with a stiffer stronger material. I sent my "old" version back to them for replacement. They did this with no arugment. I have the "new" version and believe it will take years of abuse. I showed it to Caveman the last time we were out and he was in agreement about the new material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott_J Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Another pack that I bought because it it SIMPLE is a rock climbing sac by a company in Squamish called On Site. This pack is one big sac. No pockets, no daisey chains, etc. It is ballistic cloth, top flap with a storage area, removable waist band and ability to stuff shoulder straps out of way so you can haul the pack and a bivy pad. Inside bottom is yellow so you don't have the black hole effect. Cost was $99.00 in Canada when I bought it who knows what it costs now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COL._Von_Spanker Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 word round here is that the Ice Sack is not what it used to be (i.e. a few years ago?) Â I think that has to do with materials. Also note that the ice sac is simple to compress. If that's too much maintenance for the diversity well.. get something else. I've used it in so many situations I am convinced it is a great pack. Â I do hear lots of good things about Cold Cold world. THey must be good. Â Cold Cold World Cherynoble At $150 it looks pretty nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 dustin: Â I also noticed Golite has a new sub 1lb pack set up for "peak baggin" in the most recent catologe, but not on the website. Only has one ice axe loop, but, on those occasions you need 2 ice tools, you can rig something. You might check it out, I have a Golite breeze that isn't really what you want for climbing (no waist belt, no ice axe loop on mine, no compression system) but this one looks promising. It's called the "Dawn Pack" and is sized right at 2500 ci. $79 cheap too! I don't really care for the mesh pockets, though, they tend to fill with snow when glissading and because theres no padded back pannel, you can actually get stuff wet in your pack from your smelly back sweat. But, I haven't had any durrablility issues. Â I know some people don't like their stuff cause it's designed for "hikers" but, the stuff I've used has been cheap and impressivly durable considering the lightweight designs and low price. I'm sure if they simply doubled thier prices and called it climbing gear, it would be all the rage. That's my rant for the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Actually, your sweat will not soak through the pack unless Golite uses non-waterproof fabric, which I highly doubt. I must say, I can't stand frames in daypacks, but a foam pad is light, versatile, and improves the pack by a huge margin for the weight. When I have enough money I want to try the Gust sometime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin_B Posted February 8, 2003 Author Share Posted February 8, 2003 Thanks for all the good beta on packs. I just ordered the Cold Cold World Valdez. I've got to find out for myself if all the hype is true. I'm having them do some modifications to the pack for me so I don't have to do it myself (I'm no Martha Stewart). They are doing 5 different modifications free of charge. The price quoted for this pack on the website is $115. With shipping, the total is $121. I think I am getting exactly what I want so I consider this a pretty good deal. They said it would take 1-2 weeks plus shipping. Not to bad for a semi-custom pack eh? I'll post again when I get the pack and have a chance to try it out. yeehaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allison Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 Pleeze tell us how it all works out! Sounds like everything we all want from all gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin_B Posted March 3, 2003 Author Share Posted March 3, 2003 Dustin_B said: Thanks for all the good beta on packs. I just ordered the Cold Cold World Valdez. I've got to find out for myself if all the hype is true. I'm having them do some modifications to the pack for me so I don't have to do it myself (I'm no Martha Stewart). They are doing 5 different modifications free of charge. The price quoted for this pack on the website is $115. With shipping, the total is $121. I think I am getting exactly what I want so I consider this a pretty good deal. They said it would take 1-2 weeks plus shipping. Not to bad for a semi-custom pack eh? I'll post again when I get the pack and have a chance to try it out. yeehaw. Â Got the pack in the mail on Friday. They nailed all the modifications I asked for (did I mention for free). Carried 30+ lbs in it on a hike on Saturday. Carried remarkably well. I'll post a review when I've had a chance to use it on a technical rock or ice climb. As a summitposter might say, "this pack looks like it will kick ass"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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