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Scenic (or senic as some prefer):
Monte Fitzroy and Friends Greet the Morning Sky
Ice:
Dave Ohlson Leaves the Security of the Cave, Icefields Parkway, Alberta
Ski:
Silas Wild Enjoying the Expanse of the Patagonian Icecap
Climbing:
Josh Poirier Relaxing in the Sun After a day at the Pass
Bouldering, or as some say, humour:
Eric Gratz Warms up Somewhere in the Wilds of Alaska
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Griz wrote:
there is nothing wrong with doing any of that "in the name of art".However, when you do that then ALL of your images lack any kind of credibilty. In my view, the great challenge and art to photography is capturing a great moment that actually happened. there is no real talent or skill involved by going back in and combining images to make the one you did not have the ability to capture when it counted. gross photo manipulation is a real plague and it sadly throws doubt on all photographs taken these days. A photographer's ethics is all we have left this day and age when looking at images since manipulation is so easy.
If you miss "the shot" then you missed it. Life's a bitch and learn from it. Having integrity in your photographs is far more important in the long run than a missed/blown shot here and there.
dylan_taylor wrote:
I agree with most of the things you said, and I think they are well said. But, regarding above, devils advocate: A sports photographer takes a photo of a basketball player squatting with the ball in their hand, about to leap up and make the shot. The photographer forgot to change the batteries in their D2X and the motordrive is working super slow. The next shot they get off is when the ball has already swished through the net, and the player is about to touch ground again. The photographer is frustrated. They missed the "f(t+.5)" moment when the player was airborne, legs askew, enormous hand palming the ball, look of concentration on their face. Rats. Thats ok, the photographer goes back to their laptop, opens up photoshop, and creates that image that "actually existed" by creating a composite of images they shot throughout the game. If a sports photographer ever did that, I would strongly disagree with it. I agree with griz in that, hey, if you missed the shot, tough luck. There will be plenty more possibilities. What was it Galen Rowell said? "Chance favors the prepared mind".I think that if one uses photoshop as a tool, just like graduated filters, polarizer, etc, to help technology mimic what the human eye would have seen in that particular moment then that is legitimate because it is part of taking a really good photograph. We all know our cameras and our film and our lenses can't always do what our eyes can do. But the problem is when we use our technology to do more than what our eyes can do. Photographers do it all the time. In my book, thats not a photograph, thats a photo-illustration. Just as valid, but I think it ought to be listed as such in the caption. "photo-illustration by so and so". That way, the photographers that had perfect light perfect composition and, IMO most importantly, perfect moment can get from us the credit and praise they deserve.
Robert Capa's shot of the falling soldier from the Spanish Civil War is timeless. Why? It's certainly not due to technical excellence, it's grainy ...
I could go off on the 'decisive moment'; I'll leave that for someone else. However, just as the particular moment in time makes or breaks a journalistic photo so it does also for nature .. or climbing. For just an instant there's a cloud lit from other worlds and it happens to line up perfectly with the peak you've been watching. Snap your fingers and the instant's gone. Either someone was prepared and nailed it or they didn't. 3 Seconds later the saturated color has faded (but it could of course be recreated in PS right) and the cloud has moved (but that could be 'fixed' too eh).
Why do many photographers hold strongly to their guns in this sort of discussion? It's all too common today to hear the words, oh they doctored that. Those undisclosed 'doctored works' invalidate the work of those who follow a certain set of ethics.
I can prove experimentally that Velvia in flat light does not equal saturated forest greens. This does not mean I am invalidating your work Gary. In fact I love it and look forward to seeing your new stuff whenever we get together. I am saying that it is different when one starts going beyond simple filter like adjustments (changing the lighting or boosting the saturation, adding or removing ...). Gary, you have a gift for what you do, you're skilled at it and it is obviously one of your passions. I admire this.
I believe this has been stated here in some form already but here it goes again. There are different genres of photography. Fashion and advertising have few, if any rules, associated with them. People expect the unbelievable. But unfortunately, people are starting to expect this unbelievable in nature as well. This discredits those rare moments where things are indeed "perfect" through the lens, eyes and mind of a skilled craftsman.
And I think the general theme in this discussion has been, call it what it is. Follow you passion. If that happens to be shooting photos of animals in captivity then do it, but make that clear. Galen pulled his photos from a certain stock agency once when he found they were using his animal shots (in captivity) without disclosing the fact.
This discussion is akin to bolts in the alpine. Each camp has strong feelings and there are most definitely grey areas.
I think what someone "saw" or perceived at a given moment in time is a whole separate discussion. Art is art, just disclose the medium. Great works of art, whether books, paintings, or photos .. or even digital art have one thing in common. They transcend the medium and impact someone emotionally. People tend to use the word powerful to describe such works.
Ok, I've written my thoughts- I'm out.
jj
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marylou said:
If this seems so inconvenient to you, you might want to try out thid thing we call real grown-up life soon. It will make filling out forms and getting paid to go on vacations seem like a pretty nice deal.
It seems inconvenient for you but you might want to try out thid thing we call spell check. After that monumental life goal has been achieved we would be more than happy to hear about "real grown-up life". That sounds fascinating. Perhaps I too lack the life education to grasp this ... I wish I had a better labour union protecting me ... yeah, then I would feel safe to spray about hard working people, people I would normally hold a lot of respect for.
Some people roll through life taking what they can get and some take matters into their own hands; they do something about where they want to be. Every lifestyle is a choice but some live in a stupor, blinding consciousness.
This second paragraph is not directed at anyone in particular (ie. this is not a personal attack). But I must say I respect people in life who have vision as opposed to those who lead a pinball life. Gary is one of those people I respect.
I'm sure you meant no harm. It's just these online forums that lead to such easy misunderstandings.
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Come support the UWCC. Gary put a lot of work into this; we need to repay the theiving burecrats before we destroy them.
Oh yeah, Timmy iz awesome. We avoided arrest today but still managed to have a good time. Things almost got ugly with some football player types in the weight room though. He did some sendin to make things right in the world.
The show will absolutely, without a doubt, rock your world. FREE TEEN PORN. Spread the word.
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Good show ... and my deep apologies go out to those who had trouble digesting the information above, "Tuesday Dec 2, 6pm, HUB Auditorium". It would probably take a law degree, or some title of importance to decipher that statement.
It was good seeing you Matt. You're right, it feels good giving the chest a sound beating. But I'll never stack up to the hero chest beaters who may have more than 10X my post count. Maybe I should follow Kurt's advice and get a job, then I could spray away.
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Fred is psyched about the show but still has the normal worries-- the weather, the rock, the ... wait, change that, the attendance, the after hours buildering prospects, the quality of girls ...
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), Gary just turned down a GU offer to sustain his 60 hour coding push. I think the kid is going to snap; bagels and juice will only bring ruin. Oh yeah, Gary, you did a crappy job on the poster. Fred says you made him look like he's 100 years old.Come to the show this evening. Be amazed by slides from 65 years of exploration in North America's mountains. Jokes and funny stories are a bonus. Bring your friends, bring your dog, and bring your 3 favorite cuties. If we don't pack the house tonight Fred will throw in the towell on shows while in the prime of his life.
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klenke said:
Also, I want to take exception to Kurt getting some free advertising on this website. This kind of crap has got to stop.
gdmfing tree huggin hipsters. They always gotta walk around parading their versoin of truth.
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catbirdseat said:Alpinfox said:
This is what happens when you hold the camera over your head instead of looking through the viewfinder. Oh well. Good turn-out, lots of plabby, happy folks.
Is Forrest feedin brew to that youngster in the photo? Looks like dbb is feedin someone a bit of beta but Erin isn't too sure about what she hears from a distance. Kaia is just proud as peaches; she's got a green stamp. Forrest and Matt, good to hear you guys made it home ok. Good talk.
Good times. Keep on truckin.
ps. For the 98% of you who have no clue who I am, I showed some slides after Colin when everyone was quite intoxicated.
Jon thanks for putting on a great event. It was loads of fun.
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MissNormandy said:
I made friends with this little squirrel that came to my apartment window every morning. I named him Cashew because all I had to feed him was cashews. At 9am sharp every morning he would be there begging for nuts. One morning he didn't come and when I stepped out the back door into the alley at 9:15 to go to class I nearly stepped onto his dead little body that had been smashed into the concrete by a big truck.
He was probably on his way to my window to get his treats when it happened. I grieve to this day. 
R.I.P.
CashewIs this the alley outside you sorority?
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wirlwind said:
i wish i could check this phonemon out my self
Strangely it does not extend to the mountains.
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Ned_Flanders said:wirlwind said:
i heard smokin plastic gives you a better high then crack and last longer too..
maybe thats why bone gardens is always so crowded.
fraze
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thelawgoddess said:
wtf are you smoking??? 
An appreciation for diverse literature would clear this up for you.
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Canada, once again offering all the perks a first world country should expect.
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Dru said:
tonight 10 PM
who's gonna be a geek and see it on first day of release
My geek status has really fallen off. I will not see it until Friday morning. Responsibilities are rough.
The real question here is this. Who had a matrix party this week to watch the first one before Reloaded's release?
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We headed in the same way you did -- saw your hotel setup in the snow above upper Snow Lake when we came out Sunday. The lake is very solid except for the ends where there is inflow and outflow .. and the edges near these points. It took under 15 min to go end to end at an easy pace; it's nice being able to walk on water
I wore snowshoes over my tennies through the nasty snow while my partner managed in just running shoes. I was sick when we headed in so we took it easy and were just out goofing around. 3 nights out- twas a nice weekend in a great place devoid of people aside from the two snowshoers we saw on Saturday near Prusik Pass. Uninteresting class 4 terrain, like that found on the W Ridge, has a bit more spice with 4 inches of snow on it. There's no better way to feel better than hangin in the mountains.
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quote:Originally posted by Charlie:"...low fifth class climbing leads to the summit...."
in a similar vein to this classic, "ascend easy rock and heather to ..."
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John,
I went up to Colchuck Lake on March 21st. The road was ungated when we left on Wednesday. I was really upset due to the fact my truck was sitting in Seattle; I could have driven to the trailhead. I made it all the way to the lake without using snowshoes. However, they were necessary the next morning approaching Dragontail. The lake was still frozen solid at that time and it made for a nice highway. It's integrity was more questionable later in the day. I'm sure it is dangerous to cross now unless one is skilled at walking on water.
For anyone else who is interested (jrwclimbs), the middle couloir of Triple Couloirs has a large amount of exposed rock. I am curious if it has been climbed this year.
When we hiked out two days later the road had melted substantially due to BOB. It is so great having sunshine. When we came to the bottom of the road we were greeted with a closed gate. I guess it was a good thing I didn't drive up there.
I was in Leavenworth this last weekend doing some rock climbing and yes the gate was still closed as of Sunday April 1st.
To answer your question, snowshoes should not be necessary on the approach to the lake and from there it depends on where you are going.
I hope this is helpful,
Jonathan
[This message has been edited by jjantz (edited 04-05-2001).]
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No offense OW but if there ends up being an abseil category, I think my friend will take it with this shot.
Photo by GY