Frankazoid

well shit. maybe it's real considering its been all over the news the last few days. im gunna flip the fuck out if this has an effect on accessing my crag dude. might have to start hiking in with camo gear at night.

Most of my routes i have done ground up, but only because its neccassary in thailand, and on limestone karsts. I have done some ground up routes here, but only a handfull- beacuse I can rap walls here. I like to tag a haul line with me- thin cheap nylon from ace hardware or something.... climb, go indirect to your piece ( make sure where you drill is a good clipping position- that definetly takes practice on lead), have your ground person tie the shit on, haul it up, drill it, bang it in, clip it, proceed). most drills can take some abuse if you fall.. iv'e taken a 20 footer in a limestone dihedral while proceeding to drill, when my hook blew- i'll post a photo of just prior to that moment actually! thats some f'n adventure dude! But* Around here it's so easy to rap into stuff and make a quality route, why not? it's about quality, not being bad ass, so you shouldnt contrive it (or make yourself do someting unneccessary).. in other words if you can, why the fuck not. people dogg on routes that are squeeze jobs, suck, over bolted, contrived, don't complement existing routes in an area, etc. you can rap bolt a route and be proud of it, so long as you took your time to make sure your doing a TITS job. Make it safe for other climbers, and at the same time an "adventureous" lead. there is a balance, and every line is different. I bolted some RIDICULOUS shit when I first got started. Until I learned to save my bolts for the good shit, which takes a little more effort to find most of the time. You should get ahold of other climbers that frequent that crag, and see if they agree with your idea. they just might. sometimes you can aid it by- installing the first bolt, clip it with a draw and the rope as normal, add an additional short sling to the bolt, stand in that sling *only with the tip of your shoe and without actully going indirect because if so that static fall will SUCK, use the tension of your lead rope to your advantage and try to drill! on lower angle routes that have a traversing nature this works great. I dont know how deep those pockets are you speak of, but tri cams work great in many pockets. Bottom line, just put up good routes dude. Have fun, and thanks!

Hey Kevbone, Head on out to the coast. The next wave you see coming in, try to stop it. Better yet, try to start one. Better yet, come up with something more spectacular than nature. That's pretty much all the proof I need. Call me stupid, but it works for me. I agree nature is amazing. Still does not prove anything, to me at least. If you have a daughter you probably love her right? you would have a relationship with her right? Christians have a relationship with god. It's an expierience in one's life that is as real as anything else. theres no need to prove it. you have a relationship and you know it. You can't put a relationship or love in a picture frame and physicly set it on display. im horrible with analogies. but I hope poeple know what im trying to say. But as much as you know your hair is black, brown, or blue- I know that I have a relationship with a real, loving and powerful god. sorry if you haven't experienced it yet, truly. I believe that god does make things happen on his own time and will, so if he has not grabbed you yet, well then thats the way its supposed to be I suppose. ain't nothing wrong with that. Also one thing I think people get confused about... God finds YOU. You don't find god. I really can understand how many people want nothing to do with "Jesus", having it beat into their head with families and perhaps school etc... I feel thats unfortunate. I personaly never grew up with that kind of family, and perhaps I would feel the same way that a lot of you do if I did grow up in a church. who knows. quote me, tell me how my examples suck, how i have bad grammer, and that i can't spell, and that I still haven't proved anything. Cause I don't need to! I'm just fine with knowing that theres a god, and im happy that he has never stopped me from climbin 5.12. Oh wait- I probably need to prove that too eh? but what if I have no photos or video? If i cant track down a photo of myself climbig one of those 12's I should probably start convinsing myself that it didn't happen. I mean, what's my experience worth? talking about my "experience" climbing 12's doesn't really prove anything. shit. nobody will ever believe me, ahhhhhhhh!! Ya go ahead and pick that one apart too. im sure your eager to. I can already see it....... something like this. "well climbing 5.12 is someting that has been done by many people and there is physical proof and facts that shows it has been done. So theres no real reason for somebody to not believe you if you were talking about a route you climbed" endless endless endless blah blah blah, blah blah, blah. this thread should go into the dumpster.

its funny because you always hear non beleivers spraying super hard like "and still feel the need to look to a 2000 year old dead guy for 'something greater than yourself', you might think about opening your eyes a bit wider." and " People who believe in, and want, an afterlife are too weak to handle the fact that we die. Period. Enjoy it while you can, as you could get run over by a car tomorrow." classic examples. I hear it everyday. I also hear these same people saying that your crazy for thinking you know what the truth is. Those quotes above seem to be people expressing what is the "truth" of what they know (in their case the non existance of christ and god). know what i mean? dont contradict yourself. I have never met a practicing christian as disrespectful as non beleivers who choose to spray on us. I lead by example. I hope the people in my life will see the good things that god has done for me, and the things i have done with help from god, and maybe become curious. you know try to plant a seed by example. I have as much respect for my friends who don't beleive as I do for those who do. The biggest finger pointers are you sprayers on the subject. not us beleivers. period. while you don't beleive, try to have some respect for those of us who do. and dont try to tell us how it is. God bless you all. really. - Frank

cool. those are some good comments. I thought there might be some others out there with similar experiences. I definetly need to train for vertical thin stuff, as well as big jugs hauls on roofs or 45's. Thailand is where I spend oct- dec, so training for those steep jug hauls is definetly worthwile for me. Somehow I agree with both of the last 2 comments. Nobody's wrong, just different personal experiences. Great things to know. If I could afford it I would just train in Thailand, on the stone. (well i'm sure lots of us would)- In 1 month there I went from onsighting 5.10 to 11.b's typicly, and redpointing 12b while my previous redpoints stopped at 11a. What a place! Never would have imagined. Well I think I definetly have some good ideas now, but like I said before- feel free to keep posting your own experiences! The more insights or perspectives the better... Thanks yall

ya the gym can definetly offer a faster pace i suppose.. Anyhow i'm thinkin I need to develop a specific plan for what im going to do while im there. Like you were talking about. Now that I think about it I probably climbed like 6 hard pitches in an hour 1/2, while just bouldering. OK- I definetly still welcome any other comments, or other peoples experiences.....

Hey i am just curious if anybody feels that gyms/or plastic holds leaves your hands feeling super rough and tender compared to sport climbing the same grade stuff that you would climb at say, little si. I can climb close to, and at my limit, almost all day long at many of the crags I go to. but if I give in to going to the dreaded gym my tips and hands are feeling brutalized in about 1 hour, not even pumped slightly. Is this common for folks who regulary climb outdoors and then give in to going to the gym when its been raining for too long? Does plastic really have to suck that bad? Do your hands just get used to tip-eating plastic if you go often?

yeah sure thing huh- shutting down one of the most hiked trails around seattle... and this summer they'll shut down access to snow lake! what kinda bullshit is that. I wouldnt believe it for a second.

Oh wooops, thats where my trundling landed? sorry.

Hey i'm tryin to get ahold of anyone who has climbed, or been to the North fork crag in the past... I heard rumors that Burdo was hoping to cut a new trail into the place sometime soon and, well, im tryin to get down on that. Hit me up Brian if you come across this- (I met up with you at world wall before I left to Thailand a few moths ago, for a memory jog)... Other than that, if anyone else is interested in making a new trail with me and climbing the crag lemme know. I know exactly where its at, and can actually see it from the road, getting to the cave is a whole'nutha story! I have a chainsaw and other tools for the job... just need somebody with the time.

cool well i'll contact ya soon.... i went out today and it was even more brutally cold than usual. I was defeated, i cant believe it! need at least 5 degrees warmer! talk to ya soon--

Hey lookin for someoine whos as motivated as me to climb in the seattle area during miserable weather at overhangin crags or whatever.... I live near north bend and attempt to frequent little si/world wall.... lets do this! im also into checking out ozone... and I keep hearing of some spot near Mt.vernon called equinox, cant find anyone with the beta though.. know of this spot? willing to share with a PM? alright- later